[TougeSpirit]

720 and 750 both have twin scroll turbos, btw.

Fair enough, direct injection is new (and a long time coming!)

 

[invisiblewave]

Fair enough, direct injection is new (and a long time coming!)

I'm guessing that's one of the reasons for a new engine design. I'm interested to see how the throttle response will be on it without a hybrid boost. I drove a Supra a few days ago, and it made my engine feel super laggy.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

 

[LRHunter]

Not really moved by the design but the specs and engineering in this is insane. Bravo McLaren

I agree with this. It's definitely better than the renders, but the design certainly doesn't "wow" me like the P1 did. It doesn't look bad, even good, but not great.

The specs on paper are amazing though.

 

[Topspeed]

(McLaren Active Long Tail rear wing)

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

One thing I'm noticing is the W1 looks much more handsome in motion in videos than in photographs (to my eye at least). It does, however, seem to lean more in corners than other McLaren's. It's still flat, just relatively.

 

[Hypurone]

Just found this little tidbit and not really sure of its reality but pretty cool either way....

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EDIT: Just stumbled upon this too:

Exclusive: "12 Jaw-Dropping Secrets About the New McLaren W1 Hypercar That Will Leave You Speechless!" - The World

The W1 is McLaren’s fastest and most powerful road car to date, showcasing innovative features like 3D-printed suspension and a shape-shifting body, which adds depth beyond its remarkable performance. McLaren reserves its prestigious ‘1’ badge [...]

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[theMcLarenfan]

Yeah I saw that, maybe he will review it in a year or two.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Yeah I saw that, maybe he will review it in a year or two.

He actually gave some commentary on its looks etc. Other videos, so far, have just regurgitated the McLaren marketing talking points.

 

[Bridster]

I snapped some frames from Mclaren's video, that are showcasing some additional details that they don't show in photos.

The front subframe with the inboard suspension, heave damper and 3D printed control arms and uprights:

The rear subframe with the z-bar and active drop-links:

The suspension is actually quite interesting. If I am seeing it right, Mclaren have - as with the Artura - abandoned the crosslinked damper system, or at least in the form they've used previously. Instead we get a conventional (?) anti-roll bar in the back and a heave damper in the front (which, I assume, doubles as an anti-roll bar, since I don't see any other way to control roll from this picture, unless some components are missing). In the back, the selective control is now accomplished by the active drop-links attached to the z-bar. This is actually quite novel and something that I haven't seen before, as the way it is installed it would actually function as a "pro-roll" bar, rather than anti. Which doesn't really make sense. So maybe the way they interlink the dampers now is not by connecting the main dampers, but by connecting the heave damper up front and the drop links in the back. Or maybe it's something completely different, hard to tell without more information.

What's a bit disappointing to see is that Mclaren are still using a big and bulky alu rear subframe like this. In the hypercar sphere, you would expect either a CF subframe, a semi-stressed engine, or both. Alu front subframe too. In that sense, the Mclaren F1, is still more advanced even 30 years later.

On the positive side, the W1 keeps both hydraulic steering and hydraulic braking, while almost everyone else has moved on to electric/electronic. They are also keeping with the idea of a limited slip diff and abandoning the open diff with active rear braking, same as on the Artura, which is probably what they'll be doing with other models going forward.

 

[Jo_sta7]

Hideous

 

[TougeSpirit]

I snapped some frames from Mclaren's video, that are showcasing some additional details that they don't show in photos.

The front subframe with the inboard suspension, heave damper and 3D printed control arms and uprights:
View attachment 245867

The rear subframe with the z-bar and active drop-links:
View attachment 245868

The suspension is actually quite interesting. If I am seeing it right, Mclaren have - as with the Artura - abandoned the crosslinked damper system, or at least in the form they've used previously. Instead we get a conventional (?) anti-roll bar in the back and a heave damper in the front (which, I assume, doubles as an anti-roll bar, since I don't see any other way to control roll from this picture, unless some components are missing). In the back, the selective control is now accomplished by the active drop-links attached to the z-bar. This is actually quite novel and something that I haven't seen before, as the way it is installed it would actually function as a "pro-roll" bar, rather than anti. Which doesn't really make sense. So maybe the way they interlink the dampers now is not by connecting the main dampers, but by connecting the heave damper up front and the drop links in the back. Or maybe it's something completely different, hard to tell without more information.

What's a bit disappointing to see is that Mclaren are still using a big and bulky alu rear subframe like this. In the hypercar sphere, you would expect either a CF subframe, a semi-stressed engine, or both. Alu front subframe too. In that sense, the Mclaren F1, is still more advanced even 30 years later.

On the positive side, the W1 keeps both hydraulic steering and hydraulic braking, while almost everyone else has moved on to electric/electronic. They are also keeping with the idea of a limited slip diff and abandoning the open diff with active rear braking, same as on the Artura, which is probably what they'll be doing with other models going forward.

Noticed right away that massive rear subframe. Really surprising.

Compared to the T.50, it's a huge step behind, not even mentioning the packaging where Gordon can put luggage compartments where that subframe is going through.

They tried to cheat and save weight by getting rid of the rear bumper section of the Al, but hell, just get rid of it altogether

 

[invisiblewave]

I snapped some frames from Mclaren's video, that are showcasing some additional details that they don't show in photos.

The front subframe with the inboard suspension, heave damper and 3D printed control arms and uprights:
View attachment 245867

The rear subframe with the z-bar and active drop-links:
View attachment 245868

The suspension is actually quite interesting. If I am seeing it right, Mclaren have - as with the Artura - abandoned the crosslinked damper system, or at least in the form they've used previously. Instead we get a conventional (?) anti-roll bar in the back and a heave damper in the front (which, I assume, doubles as an anti-roll bar, since I don't see any other way to control roll from this picture, unless some components are missing). In the back, the selective control is now accomplished by the active drop-links attached to the z-bar. This is actually quite novel and something that I haven't seen before, as the way it is installed it would actually function as a "pro-roll" bar, rather than anti. Which doesn't really make sense. So maybe the way they interlink the dampers now is not by connecting the main dampers, but by connecting the heave damper up front and the drop links in the back. Or maybe it's something completely different, hard to tell without more information.

What's a bit disappointing to see is that Mclaren are still using a big and bulky alu rear subframe like this. In the hypercar sphere, you would expect either a CF subframe, a semi-stressed engine, or both. Alu front subframe too. In that sense, the Mclaren F1, is still more advanced even 30 years later.

On the positive side, the W1 keeps both hydraulic steering and hydraulic braking, while almost everyone else has moved on to electric/electronic. They are also keeping with the idea of a limited slip diff and abandoning the open diff with active rear braking, same as on the Artura, which is probably what they'll be doing with other models going forward.

What's the difference between a z bar and a conventional anti roll bar linking the control arms?

 

[eMcL]

I snapped some frames from Mclaren's video, that are showcasing some additional details that they don't show in photos.

The front subframe with the inboard suspension, heave damper and 3D printed control arms and uprights:
View attachment 245867

The rear subframe with the z-bar and active drop-links:
View attachment 245868

The suspension is actually quite interesting. If I am seeing it right, Mclaren have - as with the Artura - abandoned the crosslinked damper system, or at least in the form they've used previously. Instead we get a conventional (?) anti-roll bar in the back and a heave damper in the front (which, I assume, doubles as an anti-roll bar, since I don't see any other way to control roll from this picture, unless some components are missing). In the back, the selective control is now accomplished by the active drop-links attached to the z-bar. This is actually quite novel and something that I haven't seen before, as the way it is installed it would actually function as a "pro-roll" bar, rather than anti. Which doesn't really make sense. So maybe the way they interlink the dampers now is not by connecting the main dampers, but by connecting the heave damper up front and the drop links in the back. Or maybe it's something completely different, hard to tell without more information.

What's a bit disappointing to see is that Mclaren are still using a big and bulky alu rear subframe like this. In the hypercar sphere, you would expect either a CF subframe, a semi-stressed engine, or both. Alu front subframe too. In that sense, the Mclaren F1, is still more advanced even 30 years later.

On the positive side, the W1 keeps both hydraulic steering and hydraulic braking, while almost everyone else has moved on to electric/electronic. They are also keeping with the idea of a limited slip diff and abandoning the open diff with active rear braking, same as on the Artura, which is probably what they'll be doing with other models going forward.

Not sure, but these look like they could be accumulators-what do you think?
Also the Artura has brake steer and E-diff.

 

[LRHunter]

One detail I really like is how the side mirrors are integrated into that vertical fin of the air duct behind the front wheel. I really like stuff like that vs just bolted on to the side of the car.

 

[Hypurone]

I snapped some frames from Mclaren's video, that are showcasing some additional details that they don't show in photos.

The front subframe with the inboard suspension, heave damper and 3D printed control arms and uprights:
View attachment 245867

Something doesn't seem right here, that they would be putting ALL of the suspension support load via that spindly little uplink rod... I just can't make out where else the "coilovers/springs" would be "acting" upon the control arm(s) in order to take the load...

 

[Bridster]

What's the difference between a z bar and a conventional anti roll bar linking the control arms?

Well, for it to function as an anti-roll bar, you want the wheels moving in the same direction with respect to the road. So if one wheel goes up, you want to force the other wheel to go up as well. That way they stay level and the car stays level. That's what the anti-roll bar, which is usually U-shaped, accomplishes. But if you look at the Z-shaped bar they've put on this car, it forces the wheels to go in the opposite direction instead.

Not sure, but these look like they could be accumulators-what do you think?

Yeah, but that's just accumulators for the normal dampers, since the dampers need to be short. That's just a packaging thing.

Something doesn't seem right here, that they would be putting ALL of the suspension support load via that spindly little uplink rod... I just can't make out where else the "coilovers/springs" would be "acting" upon the control arm(s) in order to take the load...

You mean the front push rods are too thin? I mean, I assume they calculated that. With the right geometry where they are never subjected to bending/buckling forces it should be fine even with that cross section.

 

[theMcLarenfan]

(McLaren Active Long Tail rear wing)

Is that rear wing street legal???

 

[theMcLarenfan]

Just found this little tidbit and not really sure of its reality but pretty cool either way....

1.5M views · 32K reactions | McLaren W1's retractable wing is 🔥 #McLaren #McLarenW1 #Hypercar #CarFeatures #Spoiler | Top Gear

McLaren W1's retractable wing is 🔥 #McLaren #McLarenW1 #Hypercar #CarFeatures #Spoiler.

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EDIT: Just stumbled upon this too:

Exclusive: "12 Jaw-Dropping Secrets About the New McLaren W1 Hypercar That Will Leave You Speechless!" - The World

The W1 is McLaren’s fastest and most powerful road car to date, showcasing innovative features like 3D-printed suspension and a shape-shifting body, which adds depth beyond its remarkable performance. McLaren reserves its prestigious ‘1’ badge [...]

lifestyleroom.net

I can't wait for McLaren to go around the world and break records at every track.

 

[aorta]

This car looks awesome. You guys are crazy

Very color dependent. There will be some very cool specs…Some colors compliment the car quite well and others don’t…