[hesperus]

Insane numbers for sure.

Remember no one is actually seeing this thing on the road, or independently verifying these claims until 2020 at least.

I don't mean to be cynical, and as much as i'm on old school dead-dinosaur burning motor kind of guy, the world does need characters like Musk who push the boundaries. Let's hope he's successful, because much as the Nissan GTR raised Ferrari's and Porsche's game 10 years ago, and the 720S is likely to do the same to Lambo and Ferrari now, if the Tesla comes close to its claimed numbers in the real world, and isn't just a one trick straight line pony, then everyone else will have to up their game yet again.

We win.

 

[Scalpel]

I placed the deposit for the Founder Series.

Have 10 days to pay in full - hoping to learn before then.

These hyper cars at 2 -3M just received a donkey kick in the nuts!

How is this version different than the others?

 

[Champagne612]

How is this version different than the others?

You pay now in full for the first 1000 - that's my understanding.

 

[Champagne612]

Insane numbers for sure.

Remember no one is actually seeing this thing on the road, or independently verifying these claims until 2020 at least.

I don't mean to be cynical, and as much as i'm on old school dead-dinosaur burning motor kind of guy, the world does need characters like Musk who push the boundaries. Let's hope he's successful, because much as the Nissan GTR raised Ferrari's and Porsche's game 10 years ago, and the 720S is likely to do the same to Lambo and Ferrari now, if the Tesla comes close to its claimed numbers in the real world, and isn't just a one trick straight line pony, then everyone else will have to up their game yet again.

We win.

I hate gadgets wish there were not even power windows. But gotta give the guy credit he just blew up the entire industry without notice.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbl554nh0V5/?hl=en&taken-by=dragtimescom

 

[eMcL]

Is this the company whose recent earnings (losses) were about 30% worse than forecast, that in the last few months has gone through $1b of cash, that is reportedly having severe production problems, and that has recently fired so many employees that the UAW have filed a formal complaint against it?
I want to buy automobiles design by car guys, not by computer geeks. Any company that proposes to stick this atrocity on the end of a steering column deserves to go out of business, the sooner the better:

Tesla has turned to debt rather than equity to raise $1.8 billion.
http://www.businessinsider.com/teslas-debt-bonds-could-create-problems-2017-8


Of course Tesla looks good when compared to QE!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html
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[snb]

I still don't understand how a vehicle has 10,000NM of torque, how does it produce it and put it down on the tarmac? Insane and seems to be fictional.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

I still don't understand how a vehicle has 10,000NM of torque, how does it produce it and put it down on the tarmac? Insane and seems to be fictional.

Dunno. But several videos below speak to the contrary. Brooks runs the dragtimes site. He’s a pretty experienced guy, and it had him squealing like a schoolgirl. If that doesn’t speak volumes to you...

 

[noone2]

It's gotta be running some trick tires to get 1.9s. Maybe Michlene will have some new compounds for it that are borderline slick.

 

[Firstkill]

Insane numbers for sure.

Remember no one is actually seeing this thing on the road, or independently verifying these claims until 2020 at least.

I don't mean to be cynical, and as much as i'm on old school dead-dinosaur burning motor kind of guy, the world does need characters like Musk who push the boundaries. Let's hope he's successful, because much as the Nissan GTR raised Ferrari's and Porsche's game 10 years ago, and the 720S is likely to do the same to Lambo and Ferrari now, if the Tesla comes close to its claimed numbers in the real world, and isn't just a one trick straight line pony, then everyone else will have to up their game yet again.

We win.

I'm hoping so, there has not been so much hype on the performance end for a while for cars.
In 2000-2010s, seem like the gtr/vette/911tt/f car/lambo were just getting incrementally better. Now each successor is leaps better

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

It's gotta be running some trick tires to get 1.9s. Maybe Michlene will have some new compounds for it that are borderline slick.

People at the show observed they were cup2s. Wether they were vanilla or some special variant remains to be seen.

That said I don’t think it needs something special.

Fact is that the hardest break traction part of acceleration usually happens at the very start, and you don’t have the software/torque to keep pushing at that same crazy level all the way through for many cars. I can see much finer torque and control happening at all 4 tires here. But the tires probably need to provide over 1.3G of straight on grip, sustained. I think that is in the realm of doable for awd and the cup2s. It may boil down to much finer traction control sensors and software.

 

[Nightlife]

Sorry but looks generic like the NSX, numbers sound great but that company bleeds money like Niagara falls and government help will soon run out, this is a sinking ship that no one seems to notice just like the Titanic.

To many optimist bet on EM, no thank you.

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[TougeSpirit]

I'm guessing the torque number includes gearing multiplication. It's next universe otherwise.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

I'm hoping so, there has not been so much hype on the performance end for a while for cars.
In 2000-2010s, seem like the gtr/vette/911tt/f car/lambo were just getting incrementally better. Now each successor is leaps better

Yea exciting times. Yea, I’m in the market but I can’t get a bunch of things, so it makes me freeze up a bit just as I was warming on the 720. So much cool and significant leap frogging is probably going to have me doing more “wait and see” to wrap my head around all the disparate advances going on almost all at once. But super exciting times.

I hate to say it, but for me, this may have just become one of the most interesting and exciting options out there.

620mile range makes this car even a long road trip car for me. When I drove around the country I would normall do 300-400 miles a day and get tired. With another 200 miles of range and overnight charging, basically I wouldn’t have range anxiety even going long haul. Very interesting stuff...

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Sorry but looks generic like the NSX, numbers sound great but that company bleeds money like Niagara falls and government help will soon run out, this is a sinking ship that no one seems to notice just like the Titanic.

To many optimist bet on EM, no thank you.

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Yea, I hear his rockets will never fly either. And who does he think he is thinking he can make a rocket that’s reusable and can land (on a tiny moving barge in the ocean no less), when all the major governments on earth failed to do so for more than half a century.

Right, this sounds like the kind of guy you definitely want to bet against, for sure.

 

[jonm42]

Sorry but looks generic like the NSX, numbers sound great but that company bleeds money like Niagara falls and government help will soon run out, this is a sinking ship that no one seems to notice just like the Titanic.

To many optimist bet on EM, no thank you.

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Then don't get one.

 

[Kingfrog3]

I really would like to know more about the tire technology on this car. 250 MPH+ you are talking about $17K tires like on the Bugatti so that the tire doesn't separate from the wheel.

 

[TougeSpirit]

Yea exciting times. Yea, I’m in the market but I can’t get a bunch of things, so it makes me freeze up a bit just as I was warming on the 720. So much cool and significant leap frogging is probably going to have me doing more “wait and see” to wrap my head around all the disparate advances going on almost all at once. But super exciting times.

I hate to say it, but for me, this may have just become one of the most interesting and exciting options out there.

620mile range makes this car even a long road trip car for me. When I drove around the country I would normall do 300-400 miles a day and get tired. With another 200 miles of range and overnight charging, basically I wouldn’t have range anxiety even going long haul. Very interesting stuff...

Being someone in the rocket industry, I agree he's made some great steps forward. But reusability tech was possible in the 70s, maybe not on a tiny barge, but bringing down a 1st stage isn't too difficult. Controls and dynamics for that was finished in the 60s. It is also yet to be seen if reusability is even viable. He says it significantly reduces costs, but nobody sees the real checkbook. Air Force is understandably still hesitant.

The biggest advantage Elon has in this space is that they have far less oversight than heritage companies that have had Air Force and NASA stuck up their ass permanently for decades now. He can move a lot faster and more freely than some competitors with additional risks that he can afford to eat.

Just a perspective from someone in the industry. We all wish him luck

 

[jonm42]

Being someone in the rocket industry,...

So, wait, you really are a rocket scientist?

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Being someone in the rocket industry, I agree he's made some great steps forward. But reusability tech was possible in the 70s, maybe not on a tiny barge, but bringing down a 1st stage isn't too difficult.

Yea, it's amazing how everything is 'no big deal' when someone else does it...

Controls and dynamics for that was finished in the 60s. It is also yet to be seen if reusability is even viable. He says it significantly reduces costs, but nobody sees the real checkbook. Air Force is understandably still hesitant.

The biggest advantage Elon has in this space is that they have far less oversight than heritage companies that have had Air Force and NASA stuck up their ass permanently for decades now. He can move a lot faster and more freely than some competitors with additional risks that he can afford to eat.

Just a perspective from someone in the industry. We all wish him luck

Well he is giving a real 50% discount on the first reusable missions, so that seems real enough, and estimates a savings of 30% moving forward http://spacenews.com/spacex-says-re...ays-reusable-stage-could-cut-prices-by-30-plans-first-falcon-heavy-in-november/. As always, YMMV.