[EventHorizon]

Have you tracked it for more than 5 laps, hard? (In Qualifying mode)

I am curious about this as well, @fiksegts how many hard laps or track sessions have you done in the SF90?

 

[fiksegts]

I don't need to, I know how the car works, and no track testing has shown to deplete the battery and cause loss of power. I actually drove the car in electric mode until it was 'empty', and then ran a full 1/4 mile in 9.6 @ 147 MPH....

Have you tracked it for more than 5 laps, hard? (In Qualifying mode)

 

[fiksegts]

I never matched my 765 coupe numbers with my SF90 either, but side by side when I raced them, the SF90 always won and walked away form the LT....

So you’ve done the best by far of comparing real world data from these cars. I haven’t done a side by side same day testing but I consistently run sub 4.8 seconds 60-130 and sub 5.0 seconds 100-150 in my coupe. End of July in 1250 DA I ran 7.07 60-150 mph (2.22 60-100 and 4.85 100-150). I haven’t seen any SF90s match what I’ve gotten from my car from a roll. I do think the cars are close enough though that the 0-60 mph advantage for the SF90 will never be overcome if racing from dig on the street.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

I never matched my 765 coupe numbers with my SF90 either, but side by side when I raced them, the SF90 always won and walked away form the LT....

To me that is the more important measure. Not what was the best ever unobtainium run (although that is fun and interesting), but what is the mean/average run you can expect of the cars on like-for-like conditions. Super informative and appreciated for you pointing out those distinctions @fiksegts .

 

[Jo_sta7]

To me that is the more important measure. Not what was the best ever unobtainium run (although that is fun and interesting), but what is the mean/average run you can expect of the cars on like-for-like conditions. Super informative and appreciated for you pointing out those distinctions @fiksegts .

I agree. But I will say the 765 is consistently about the same quickness it does these numbers ALL the time with variance of less than .1 seconds. I just think SF90 is over half a second quicker to 60 mph realistically on the road. That’s too much to overcome as they’re very similar thereafter.

 

[fiksegts]

I would disagree, took my 765LT coupe the track many times as well as street testing, was not consistent across different conditions....

I agree. But I will say the 765 is consistently about the same quickness it does these numbers ALL the time with variance of less than .1 seconds. I just think SF90 is over half a second quicker to 60 mph realistically on the road. That’s too much to overcome as they’re very similar thereafter.

 

[Jo_sta7]

I would disagree, took my 765LT coupe the track many times as well as street testing, was not consistent across different conditions....

I have a lot of data though. I guess I’ve never bothered testing in 85 + degree weather. But sub 80 degrees I’ve never gotten a significant difference from roll. Dig is a different story. Spins like crazy if I can’t get heat in the tires.

 

[EventHorizon]

I would disagree, took my 765LT coupe the track many times as well as street testing, was not consistent across different conditions....

By “track” do you mean road course or drag strip? Road course info is what a lot of us are after.

 

[aorta]

Get an LT coupe...put the AF package on the SF90 and then redo the 1/2mi. You still think the SF90 wins?

Either way...this is spitting hairs. I do love that Brooks does these videos and is honest in his approach...well done.

Nowadays if you want a drag car for less buy a Lucid Sapphire or other EV. But if you actually want to have fun (esp on track) get a McLaren. I bet consumables are fun on that SF90 at 4,000lbs. Tires/Brakes etc...

Ferrari needed 1000hp, hybrid, and $600k to compete with a McLaren...and still no luggage space. I do think it’s a very cool car though...LT every time for me...

 

[fiksegts]

yes, I've done this race.... AF SF90 beat the 765LT coupe....

of course it's a drivers race, one slight mistake in either car and you lose.....

and the Plaid leaves both behind anyway...

Get an LT coupe...put the AF package on the SF90 and then redo the 1/2mi. You still think the SF90 wins?

Either way...this is spitting hairs. I do love that Brooks does these videos and is honest in his approach...well done.

Nowadays if you want a drag car for less buy a Lucid Sapphire or other EV. But if you actually want to have fun (esp on track) get a McLaren. I bet consumables are fun on that SF90 at 4,000lbs. Tires/Brakes etc...

Ferrari needed 1000hp, hybrid, and $600k to compete with a McLaren...and still no luggage space. I do think it’s a very cool car though...LT every time for me...

 

[mcracing1]

Get an LT coupe...put the AF package on the SF90 pand then redo the 1/2mi. You still think the SF90 wins?

Either way...this is spitting hairs. I do love that Brooks does these videos and is honest in his approach...well done.

Nowadays if you want a drag car for less buy a Lucid Sapphire or other EV. But if you actually want to have fun (esp on track) get a McLaren. I bet consumables are fun on that SF90 at 4,000lbs. Tires/Brakes etc...

Ferrari needed 1000hp, hybrid, and $600k to compete with a McLaren...and still no luggage space. I do think it’s a very cool car though...LT every time for me...

Yes i do, as i have both of them sf90 AF and 765lt Roofscoop. the performance of both cars are very simular on highspeed runs, german autobahn over 300kph, and if you go from a stop, the traction adventage from the Sf90 is just to big to overcome on higher speed by the 765lt. Even in hot weather like 30 degres celsiuis (around 86 farenheit) i expirienced the sf90 to be more performqnce stable, as the elec part those not suffer from heat soak. (Severel pulls to highspeed on the german autobahn on hot weather.
But i think that in my Sf90 to have the best performance battery should be above 15km
range in qualymode. This for example is not a problem on the Autobahn, as regen is so quick when breaking or slowing down to traffic that, i never went on low charge. Have down 3800km on my Sf90, do not underestimate this car!
So i can confirm what fiksegts is saying

And i do have a lot of fun with the sf90 on track as with the 765lt. Tyre wear are not far a part… a lot of unconfirmed rumers floating around

 

[mcracing1]

and the Plaid leaves both behind anyway...

That is an intresting part, first plaid hitting germany and first autobahn run, and specialy like 200-250kph of the plaid is not any different then the sf90 / 765lt what i have seen so far here, the question what happens toward 300kph if the plaid is fully open.
Any idea, predection from your side on the highspeed / topspeed runs.

 

[aorta]

Yes i do, as i have both of them sf90 AF and 765lt Roofscoop. the performance of both cars are very simular on highspeed runs, german autobahn over 300kph, and if you go from a stop, the traction adventage from the Sf90 is just to big to overcome on higher speed by the 765lt. Even in hot weather like 30 degres celsiuis (around 86 farenheit) i expirienced the sf90 to be more performqnce stable, as the elec part those not suffer from heat soak. (Severel pulls to highspeed on the german autobahn on hot weather.
But i think that in my Sf90 to have the best performance battery should be above 15km
range in qualymode. This for example is not a problem on the Autobahn, as regen is so quick when breaking or slowing down to traffic that, i never went on low charge. Have down 3800km on my Sf90, do not underestimate this car!
So i can confirm what fiksegts is saying

And i do have a lot of fun with the sf90 on track as with the 765lt. Tyre wear are not far a part… a lot of unconfirmed rumers floating around

I appreciate input from folks who’ve owned or extensively driven both...thank you for that.

I’ve tracked a lot of cars...and I’d sure love to see those tires on the 1800kg SF90 vs the 1400kg LT after a day...

 

[Jo_sta7]

I love Ferrari stepping it up with these fast cars. 296 is a monster too. 720S+ speed. They’re doing it with power and McLaren with lightness. It’s cool to see the companies go in different directions and come out similar. They’ll push each other and we all win.

 

[Michaelj]

I love Ferrari stepping it up with these fast cars. 296 is a monster too. 720S+ speed. They’re doing it with power and McLaren with lightness. It’s cool to see the companies go in different directions and come out similar. They’ll push each other and we all win.

So true. Right now I’m a mclaren fan cause I feel they make better cars. But having owned several Ferraris- I hope to get one in the future. Have a deposit down on a 296. Will be test driving next week. At thee end of the day- best car wins but good news for us is there are many best cars.

 

[EMF Audio (McMedics)]

I did a few highways pulls when I had both cars, 720S was never catching up.... maybe over 200 if the LT reaches it's max speed...

Did you have factory tires on both? I don't know the conditions of the test my friend did, but I know both cars were stock everything running side by side. Driving modes may play a factor, I don't know which modes both cars were in, I only know what he told me happened when he ran his 765 against his friends 720.

 

[fiksegts]

I think the 296 might beat the 765LT, it's close for sure...

I love Ferrari stepping it up with these fast cars. 296 is a monster too. 720S+ speed. They’re doing it with power and McLaren with lightness. It’s cool to see the companies go in different directions and come out similar. They’ll push each other and we all win.

 

[Jo_sta7]

I think the 296 might beat the 765LT, it's close for sure...

I'm sure you will put that to the test. My 296 comes next year. Will have to decide if it is a swap or add to 765.

 

[Stage7]

I'm sure you will put that to the test. My 296 comes next year. Will have to decide if it is a swap or add to 765.

Numbered car vs non numbered car - it's an easy decision "to add" vs swap.

That is unless you don't care for the 765lt.

 

[aorta]

I think the 296 might beat the 765LT, it's close for sure...

So you’re basically saying the 296 is just as quick as the SF90. (Maybe not to 60mph). So your expecting the 296 to run 9.4-9.6s at 148-150mph and the 1/2 mile at 178mph. Cause those are 765LT coupe numbers and the 296 is rwd as well and will suffer the same issues in ‘regular’ roads.

296 coupe Weighed with full fuel in the EVO video was 1660kg or 3650lbs. 765LT coupe is 3050-3100. Nearly 600lbs different. Ouch. Power to weight and gearing favors the 765LT.

These days power is more than plentiful on most of these cars...for me I prefer the driving experience of lighter cars...which is why the Elva is my favorite so far, but the T.50 will probably end up being the modern day goat.