Nice to hear him pronounce Rimac correctly! Nobody else does.

 

Here’s a 1/4 mile run in my coupe where I spun at launch. Almost identical 1/8 mile to brooks and I think very similar 0-60. DA was 1000 ft here. You can see the acceleration difference between a coupe and spider. Coupe traps about 2 mph higher.

 

Jesus, that SF90 is a giant pig. ~4000lbs!?! At that point just get a Plaid.

 

SF90 did better than I would have figured. I asked Brooks on the site if he did multiple runs with each to get a median number - the two cars are so close it almost seems either one could win on any given run. I'd also be interested to see the 765LT coupe numbers.

 

SF90 coupe vs the Spider, and in the cold (disadvantaging the RWD car).

Would be interesting to see it in the summer. And preferably with coupe v coupe, or both spiders.

SuperFat90 is fine in a straight line. Would be left for dead on a track after a few laps. The battery WILL deplete and reduce power.

 

nope....

SuperFat90 is fine in a straight line. Would be left for dead on a track after a few laps. The battery WILL deplete and reduce power.

 

Interesting that Ferrari left some power on the table by not utilizing all the electric power . The sf90 VS I’m sure will tap into this.

Knowing this- it has me even more excited for the 720 replacmeent. Call it 950 hp but 800 pounds less? 3300 pounds vs 4100 for the Ferrari VS?

regardless good times to be a car enthusiast. Both companies pushing each other. Good for us end users.

 

Exactly my friend. That's the way it should be. All I'll say on the Ferrari SF90 is from recollections it actually did some sterling times on the racetracks. The VS will be an all time great Ferrari I just know it.

McLaren Aston Martin Lamborghini and Porsche all have hybrids coming out and unlike the Holy Trinity it won't for millions of dollars each.

If it were indeed possible individually just a straight unmodified McLaren 720S would be absolutely spot on. In Mauvine. It's stupid quick as it is!🙂

 

I really like the SF90 when I drove it. It really is rapid. A lot of traction. Just goes and doesn’t stop. But it’s not as good to drive as the 765.

 

That was very close. Clearly LT drag was the limited factor. So...Apples to apples would be a coupe vs coupe and the SF90 with AF package (more downforce/drag)
Regardless...the SF90 is awesome...but personally I find the 765 far more engaging, not even close really...and the Ferrari has literally zero luggage space. Maybe the AF package version is better but I haven’t tried that yet...Ferrari are stepping up their game....BUT 3990lbs is insane.

 

I don't really think it's an outstanding achievement on Ferrari's part that they can accelerate with their 1000PS car just as fast as McLaren with a 765PS car. Although I also appreciate the SF90 very much, a superior performance looks different. So the question is allowed: what exactly justifies the great effort Ferrari has put into the SF90 drivetrain? Less fuel consumption, better CO2 balance? Moreover, I am convinced that the SF90 will be inferior to the LT in terms of driving dynamics.
This test is a 1:0 for McLaren.

 

I personally am impressed that Ferrari was able to offer so much performance for around $500k. I personally thought these cars wouldn’t appreciate much but Covid and supply chains definitely inflated all assets. It’s basically a hypercar.

 

Right. The line between super and hyper is increasingly blurred in performance terms. The only real way to differentiate is on price.

 

Get an LT coupe...put the AF package on the SF90 and then redo the 1/2mi. You still think the SF90 wins?

Either way...this is spitting hairs. I do love that Brooks does these videos and is honest in his approach...well done.

Nowadays if you want a drag car for less buy a Lucid Sapphire or other EV. But if you actually want to have fun (esp on track) get a McLaren. I bet consumables are fun on that SF90 at 4,000lbs. Tires/Brakes etc...

Ferrari needed 1000hp, hybrid, and $600k to compete with a McLaren...and still no luggage space. I do think it’s a very cool car though...LT every time for me...

 

yes, I've done this race.... AF SF90 beat the 765LT coupe....

of course it's a drivers race, one slight mistake in either car and you lose.....

and the Plaid leaves both behind anyway...

Get an LT coupe...put the AF package on the SF90 and then redo the 1/2mi. You still think the SF90 wins?

Either way...this is spitting hairs. I do love that Brooks does these videos and is honest in his approach...well done.

Nowadays if you want a drag car for less buy a Lucid Sapphire or other EV. But if you actually want to have fun (esp on track) get a McLaren. I bet consumables are fun on that SF90 at 4,000lbs. Tires/Brakes etc...

Ferrari needed 1000hp, hybrid, and $600k to compete with a McLaren...and still no luggage space. I do think it’s a very cool car though...LT every time for me...

 

I love Ferrari stepping it up with these fast cars. 296 is a monster too. 720S+ speed. They’re doing it with power and McLaren with lightness. It’s cool to see the companies go in different directions and come out similar. They’ll push each other and we all win.

 

So true. Right now I’m a mclaren fan cause I feel they make better cars. But having owned several Ferraris- I hope to get one in the future. Have a deposit down on a 296. Will be test driving next week. At thee end of the day- best car wins but good news for us is there are many best cars.

 

I run them both. love what they bring to the table ..very unique driving experiences. SF is incredibly quick there is no way a 296 is going to do 9.4 9.6 1/4 mile run on the street.

 

9.7-9.9 at 148+ on the street for the 765. He was saying at the strip.

 

Very interesting results....I ran a 15.29@180.26 1/2 mile in my 765LT, but I had pretty ideal conditions. Bottom line, the SF90 seems a hair faster than a 765LT Spider under the same conditions. I wonder how a coupe would have done on the same day, I'd bet it would match or slightly beat the SF90's speed.

 

Oh I remember it because back then they're wasn't much testing over the 1/4 mile from memory and you not only achieved the 1/2 mile but breached 180MPH! That's legendary stuff man! Is there anyway you could share that slip again to share? I'd appreciate really!🙂

 

So I'm pretty sure you know Steve and or the Hamilton Collection and if you don't know doesn't matter. Over the years we've had some interaction with the guy and he's alright!

Anyway the episode tonight is McLaren 765LT versus Ferrari SF90! And the LOSER is getting sold!

Hopefully he keeps the Mclaren, I'll let you know after I watched it and the cliffhanger!

 

This one I literally just found can't leave this one!

 

Well we will see how she gets on! Definitely won't come last!

 

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't consider 0-60 to be much of a benchmark in today's supercar world. Seat of the pants, it's pretty hard to tell 2.2 from 2.6. I tend to check 60-130 as a better yardstick of real world (canyon drive) performance, and a yardstick that you can really feel the difference in. Just my opinion.

 

 

Cool little video from Sydney.😁

 

ASMR thing? Possibly.

 

Might as well add this to this list

 

 

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That was a great day at Silverstone this summer

 

 

4 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

 

OK so? I can't screen everything, between the pictures and the video that's nil points?🤔

Might I suggest moving the line away from quantity and towards quality? Less clicking, more curating?

 

Z06 dyno and chart plus and Koenigsegg Jesko Attack but now £250K upgrades and Mclaren GT Official shots from Instagram? Edit AND Autocar Artura results today plus news?

Yesterday I can't even remember. Hennessey Venom F5 dyno etc I know for an absolute fact nobody has seen those.

So I'm OK it's good.

 

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I don't consider 0-60 to be much of a benchmark in today's supercar world. Seat of the pants, it's pretty hard to tell 2.2 from 2.6. I tend to check 60-130 as a better yardstick of real world (canyon drive) performance, and a yardstick that you can really feel the difference in. Just my opinion.

If you take away 0-60 clout, you take away everything Tesla and Dodge owners have in life.

 

Well to be fair, with a model S/X plaid, they dominate the quarter mile too. Not my cup of tea, but for many, that’s all the ‘performance’ they care about.

 

I think a lot of them gun it on the highway to about 80 or even 100 and then they’re done. I suspect a lot of supercar drivers do much the same. The model s plaid with track pack can be had for about 120k today, which is kind of an awesome deal for a huge family sedan. It will push well beyond 100mph hard. It goes up to 203mph.

Anyway, I think you’re on point, the extent of “pushing it” will end somewhere between 80-100mph depending on bravery. But they’re happy with that and more power too them. I think most super car owners, sadly, aren’t terribly different. For most ‘legal’ driving the delta on pace is meaningless with a good driver. Most supercar owners seem to not give a crap about how heavy big pig and not nimble their cars are either. Those that care or even can comprehend the difference are fast fading, I fear, much like manual drivers version 2.0.

Some people are happy with blunt force implements and see little utility in a scalpel. And that’s fine. They are not doing brain surgery, so for them the blunt force instrument is all that’s needed. Those that get it, don’t need an explanation, they are already converted and part of the choir.

i basically agree with the spirit of your statements, just pointing out the “markers” are not just 0-60. They now include 1/4 mile. And with time other markers will fall too. And the blunt instrument lovers won’t really care anyway. The big delta will not be power, it will be lightness and nimbleness, but even that, eventually, with the right tech, will be matched (is my guess).

For all those that don’t want a blunt force instrument, they can appreciate the deftness and difference and enjoy that difference even at 40mph in taking a turn On a normal street. We have some nice streets with 40-50mph limits and suggested speeds of 20mph in some tight turns that most can’t handle at 40mph, and the McLaren just wags its tail carving them at something over 50, and the car just communicates to you like some beautiful symphony. It’s magical.

But most don’t care. And you may well be right that they get more joy from a spec sheet than what it really means when you’re driving. And I’m ok that they don’t get it. If they’re happy with their fatty pigs, good for them. I’m happy with something else. They don’t have to get it for me to appreciate it.

I know a lot of people don't drive their cars to their limits, or even near them. Sometimes I make an example of those who carry their pride a bit far, put them back in reality. While a Plaid may claim it will do 205 MPH, I've yet to see it, and it sure as hell won't happen at the rate anything from McLaren will do it. I honestly wouldn't trust being in a Tesla that fast with the lack of braking, some questionable aero, and computers making decisions it shouldn't be making at that speed. This is of course assuming air didn't get in the body panel gaps and fly off sooner.

 

Plaid will go to around 213 (unlocked software), they limit their "standard" plaid with track pack to 201-203. They unlocked the 203 mph mode only with the ceramic brake/trackpack recently...before then the software capped top speed to 165, which is why it didn't do as well as it could in many 1/4mile and 1/2 mile tests. And supposedly the ceramics help the braking quite a bit, and why they dont let you go over 200mph unless you get the ceramic brake track pack.

Since the software unlock, maybe 6 months ago, it can now go over 200, apparently 203. I think you may be surprised by the latest software update that unlocked a lot power with their ceramic brake 'track pack'. It gets there very fast. It goes from 0-200mph in about 21sec (I think a 720 can do it in about 25seconds), and to 213 in about 25sec.

Watch Tesla Model S Plaid Hit Record-Setting 216 MPH

A Tesla Model S Plaid has reached a top speed of 216 mph. The Plaid was modified by Canadian tuners Ingenext.

insideevs.com

Here is the 'regular' plaid trackback getting to only 203 on the autobahn:

Watch the Tesla Model S Plaid Hit 203 MPH on the Autobahn

With the newly released track package, eclipsing the 200-mph barrier in Tesla's big sedan is easy.

www.roadandtrack.com

It will get faster still with a few more software updates. Also towards the end of that 2nd/autobahn video, the driver goes on track, and it does ok considering what huge pig that car is. The electric tech has improved at a pretty fast pace.