TopGearUK - LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918
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lol exactly.
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Interesting quote here:
"we were told ‘no track testing' as part of the agreement"
Now, I wonder who didn't want their car tested on the track? Porsche and McLaren were both more than willing in other tests ....
So the car that has fastest road legal car on a track as its specific remit and raison d'etre is barred from the track and comes in third.
There had better be a Round 2 solely on the track to balance things out. At least that could lead to a more nuanced conclusion -- "We preferred X on the road, but Y was better on the track."
"we were told ‘no track testing' as part of the agreement"
Now, I wonder who didn't want their car tested on the track? Porsche and McLaren were both more than willing in other tests ....
So the car that has fastest road legal car on a track as its specific remit and raison d'etre is barred from the track and comes in third.
There had better be a Round 2 solely on the track to balance things out. At least that could lead to a more nuanced conclusion -- "We preferred X on the road, but Y was better on the track."
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"Ferrari - despite being wonderfully helpful in setting up the whole thing - unsurprisingly weren't keen to lend us their facility for running around in the other two..."
I'm sure they were terrified that the production car lap record would not be taken by a prancing pony. That would be really embarrassing!
I'm sure they were terrified that the production car lap record would not be taken by a prancing pony. That would be really embarrassing!
And how is that any different from CL and his sources?
Goplay has a very good point I reckon. Matching Porsche/Ferrari fanboy-ism doesn't exactly make Mclaren look great either.
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I don't think we need to doubt mark's sources guys... that would be a bit daft.. he's a very well informed fellow..I've shared correct information and inside-info many times (99.9% of the time?) before and most of them in PMs to a few trusted members of ML.If you like some proof of the conversation between me and that certain person, I would happily PM you.
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+ 1, I can personally vouch for him
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Innnteresting. Thanks for posting; I'll throw my P1 on the scales in the next few days to get a second reading.
So, given P1 fuel tank is 16.3 gals US, and 1 gal of gasoline is 6.2 lbs, we have:
Fuel load = 101 lbs
P1 @ full tank = 3394 lbs or 1539 kg
P1 @ half tank, aka EU curb weight = 3344 lbs or 1517 kg
P1 @ empty tank = 3293 lbs or 1494 kg
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Absolutely...........
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I don't have issue with people posting "inside" information. The problem is it can't be substantiated and just raises more doubts from the haters. It really provides no real benefit.
So either McLaren doesn't have discipline to eliminate leaks or they release this inside information through these channels deliberately. Is it incompetence or really bad marketing?
So either McLaren doesn't have discipline to eliminate leaks or they release this inside information through these channels deliberately. Is it incompetence or really bad marketing?
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I guess it's just a bit of fun goplay... anyone can post their opinion, however well informed it is...
Nobody thankfully posts 'I spoke to xxxxx and he said that this is happening' but there's a good deal of informed opinion on here.. working out what's true and what's not is the fun part, well at least partly..
I guess I am just saying its probably slightly unfair to dismiss someone as a fanboy .. there's always the possibility that he may well be accurate and correct..
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If you don't show the laptime it's because it's not that good.
McLaren is a F1 team for gods sake. They know numbers/telemetry is everything in F1. They can't say "my laptime was faster than yours so I got pole position but I can't tell you the exact number".
That would be funny...Ferrari would always be on pole position then, masters of BS.
Under 7 min just means "we lost", period.
McLaren is a F1 team for gods sake. They know numbers/telemetry is everything in F1. They can't say "my laptime was faster than yours so I got pole position but I can't tell you the exact number".
That would be funny...Ferrari would always be on pole position then, masters of BS.
Under 7 min just means "we lost", period.
+1.
It's irrelevant whether one believes Mark's sources or not IMO. He's put out a non trivial claim that attemps to put Porsche in a poor light by sending a ringer to the test and it's not even an informed opinion but a claimed 'fact'. That claim cannot be proven and even if a very trusted Mclaren 'source' had told him that, it's not obvious how Mclaren themselves would be aware that of a substantial weight discrepancy. If someone had posted the same about the P1 in some various test being a ringer everyone here would at minimum express severe doubts about the validity of that claim as well. I don't see why the same does not apply in this case.
Some people were singing a different tune when it came to the 7:18 lap of the GT2 RS weren't they? Oh boy, yes they were.
The reason the official time wasn't shown is because they didn't want to get into a death-defying, high-speed grudge match with Ferrari, where Ferrari would likely cheat anyway, not because they couldn't beat a certain heavier AWD car that they beat by 1.2s even on an autocross track.
I don't know why this 6:57 time even registers given that it was a non-stock car with a special fixed roof, no visors, no light console at top of rearview mirror stalk, no upholstery on the underside of the roof or on the pillars by the looks of things. Non-stock is non-stock, given the complaints about using an option tyre, why should a time set with car using completely non-stock, non-option parts count?
My pleasure, looking forward to seeing your results for comparison. Now if only someone would come visit me in a 918 or LaFerrari so I could throw their car on the scales...
Yep, that's about what I figured too. Also, keep in mind my car has several cows worth of leather in it, and every other weight+ option. I'll admit I don't know how much difference those options make, but it must be material. It was weighed with the Trofeo tire on it (same as it was delivered to me, which I believe was a question earlier in this or another topic - yes the Trofeo is a factory option). Not sure if there's a weight difference between Trofeo and Corsa. Will try to remember to weigh the wheels/tires next time I have them off.
Here are the photos to verify. To answer the inevitable important technical questions that may arise from these photos:
1) Yes, the car is in lift mode to get it on the scales
2) Yes, the scales could be a tiny bit unlevel - that spot checked out to be very close to level, but I make no assertion that it was 100% glass flat and level
3) Yes, the scale controller is sitting on the hood of my wife's Ghost, which was very dirty
4) Yes, those are pumpkins, for no particular reason other than the level spot in my driveway was right in front of them.
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That was very interesting and good to see one finally on the scales (even allowing for some bits of extra cow!
), I take an inordinate interest in actual car weights so it's quite neat to see this kind of thing.
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How much does the middle pumpkin weigh Matt? He looks a little below factory spec!
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I think that was one of the technical questions Matt was expecting,unfortunalty after the recent events over the last couple of weeks it's probably an ex pumpkin now ,and can no longer be used in this scientific experiment ,but it's mere inclusion in this test begs the question how much the season and temperature would effect the results ???
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