That'll cost a bit more than a TAG... nice watches though.

 

I thought that gofundme was for a dashcam?



-Jamie.

 

I was wondering whether there'd be a Sports Series watch...>

 

They do cost about the same....

 

Wow, those are some ugly watches.

 

Embarrassing to McLaren fans everywhere.

 

Why is it embarrassing?

 

I agree some of the seriously high end RM pieces are way too OTT, but Mille's a true innovator and the craftsmanship required to build one of these watching is amazing. Love this back of this Massa edition...

 

I'm still not sure why I should replace the sundial on my wrist with this?

 

Think of it as replacing a bicycle with a 675LT.

 

Yes, RM is nice, different and a Johnny-come-lately in the big time watch world. (They make a "Bubba Watson" model for some context). His complications are pretty nice.

But this partnership is for the race team not the cars. So as far as the Tag 12c watch, this won't replace that connection. Tag actually abandoned their "premium" line and went back to their "2nd tier" (no offense) roots. Shame because the 12c watch is very nice and unique. The "mikrobridge" was a technological marvel. But big time watch people wouldn't lay out Hublot/Audemars money for a Tag. No matter the tech. As they say a fool and his money...

Watches and cars are similar insomuch as for what the purchaser wants. Is it for you or other people to see you with it.

By the way, believe it or not, there are a lot(relatively) of fake Tag 12c watches out there. So if your in the market for a watch to go with your 12c be damn sure of provenance. If memory serves there was an extensive thread about the watch some years ago. Last year a friend and new collector purchased one for about 40% of list. When it was appraised it turned out the watch was Asian. I can't believe that a watch with such a limited run(1000) and limited appeal would be knocked off, but there you go.


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Agreed, although I do rather like the early, more understated RM watches. Just think yourself lucky Ron didn't do a deal with Urwerk... yours for around £280k

 

Lottery winner,inheritance,oil or celebrity .... No one who actually earns their own money would be so dumb to wear that ........ Imo

 

Very exciting,

RM has proved becoming one of horology world most after sought brands even with their short time line,
their true innovation of designs and slogan of "racing machine on the wrist", is perfect for McLaren.

I've been waiting for this quite a while, can't wait for them releasing Mclaren or jenson's edition instead of the stupid lotus f1, which already looked amazing.

 

This atrocity supposedly costs 1.65 million dollars and, believe it or not, that is in US dollars, not Zimbabwean dollars.

The question regarding this and every other R. Mille watch is: How can something that is so expensive look so cheap?

 

The question regarding this and every other R. Mille watch is: How can something that is so expensive look so cheap?

I've seen better photos of that one but I agree it's completely OTT. I've got to admit I like RM watches, they're innovative and oddly enough surprisingly low key in the metal, I'd take one over a Rolex any day, this one especially... what's not to like?

 

Because he and all the new comers try way too hard. Pateks for instance have an elegance that hard to surpass. There are several that break 7 figures. Bespoke refs are unbelievable with a price to match. Same policies as our favorite car companies, good customers get all the new cool stuff.

It's all the same.


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Good customers deserve all the new cool stuff.
So do I.
OK - I don't. But I am very lucky. I couldn't afford to insure a watch like that so I'd be very scared if I did own one.
I get far more than I deserve - without getting so much that I am scared.
I'm not sure I'd actually like to be able to afford everything. If you can, you have nothing that gives you the thrills I get by going to the classic car show today or having someone give me a ride in their McLaren or vintage Bentley or gives me a tour of MTC/MPC
I am very lucky - these things are just truly amazing for me.
Owning a McLaren is probably like that for most of you which is great but if you have enough money to do everything, what can give you that extra thrill?
I am a very lucky man not being able to afford things but having friends that give me opportunities do do things most people can only dream of.

 

@Dash ya i'm fond of that one too. I think some of RM watches are abit extreme. Been looking for a sporty watch myself, will probably get the 2016 inc pilot

Savings will go to the next ride

 

Check out the Zenith "el Primero" pilot annual calendar chronograph. Great watch 11k list and the mov't that started it all.


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i bet at least some of the P1 owners are glad this didn't happen a few years ago....imagine what a Richard Mille P1 watch might have been like in order to 'compete' with the Hublot Laferrari one.....

 

Jesus wept...

 

I agree with much of the design critique. The RM looks every bit as cobbled together from various elements meant to attract attention. I love the marketing term "inspired by" the innate technological <<insert term>> of the ground breaking <<insert car>>... Every watch maker tasked with branding a watch with a car uses those or similar terms.

I own only one car branded watch, the Tag MP4-12C because I liked the watch and I thought it was an aspirational moment for a "2nd tier" watch brand. It had understated looks and used materials that are used in the car. Coming back to the historical significance of McLaren to the automotive use of carbon fiber and of course titanium and Alacantara. The application of the same type face as on our tachs was perfect as was having a "0" at the 12 o'clock position.

To me (is there a more subjective thing than design?) the Tag has an elegance that most other of these watches lack. Along with a provenance of having been in racing for a long long time. Only the esteemed Rolex and their Daytona has a more robust connection in my opinion. The Daytona being an exceedingly understated yet fitting design that has stood the test of time.

For some examples of these car branded watches:

http://www.businessinsider.com/expensive-watches-from-car-brands-2011-12

Can't help posting this pic either, try that with any other of these watches and the connection falls flat. My apologies for the blur, I was performing a very unsafe maneuver I regret in retrospect. A clearer pic of the watch follows.

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I agree with much of the design critique. The RM looks every bit as cobbled together from various elements meant to attract attention. I love the marketing term "inspired by" the innate technological <<insert term>> of the ground breaking <<insert car>>... Every watch maker tasked with branding a watch with a car uses those or similar terms.

I own only one car branded watch, the Tag MP4-12C because I liked the watch and I thought it was an aspirational moment for a "2nd tier" watch brand. It had understated looks and used materials that are used in the car. Coming back to the historical significance of McLaren to the automotive use of carbon fiber and of course titanium and Alacantara. The application of the same type face as on our tachs was perfect as was having a "0" at the 12 o'clock position.

To me (is there a more subjective thing than design?) the Tag has an elegance that most other of these watches lack. Along with a provenance of having been in racing for a long long time. Only the esteemed Rolex and their Daytona has a more robust connection in my opinion. The Daytona being an exceedingly understated yet fitting design that has stood the test of time.

For some examples of these car branded watches:

http://www.businessinsider.com/expensive-watches-from-car-brands-2011-12

Can't help posting this pic either, try that with any other of these watches and the connection falls flat. My apologies for the blur, I was performing a very unsafe maneuver I regret in retrospect. A clearer pic of the watch follows.

Now, if you had aligned the tach needle with the watch hands, we would be impressed!

Your watch is far nicer than anything I've seen out of R. Mille.

If I had been designing your watch, I would have gone for a carbon fibre weave that was smaller in scale. All the big highlights tend to confuse the look of the face.
Also, I don't think they needed to make so many disparate spots orange. A bit would have been fine, but we didn't need the stitching and the "0" and the main hands and the small hands - it's too busy.

Your watch does however deserve major credibility points: Bruce McLaren used to wear a Heuer Carrera.

 

Different strokes for different people as they say.

 

I like my Apple Watch. It legibly tells me the day & date, time, my next appointment the outside temperature and time in places I care about like Paris and Hawaii I can turn the crown to see future appointments and I can put other complications on when I need them as well. Plus it does all kinds of other cool car-related things like control a GoPro or Harry's Lap Timer. It also shows me texts so I don't have to fish my phone out of my pocket to see when someone is texting me. Frankly I love the darn thing and can't imagine going back to wearing an analog watch anytime soon. I can even dress it up with fancier bands than the normal black plastic I usually wear.

 

Tag used to be owned by Ron it is no longer (I believe it was part of the Chandon group which is a far more lucrative deal for McLaren)

 

The TAG Group was owned by the Ojjeh family. In the late '70s/early '80s they were a sponsor of Williams in Formula One.

In 1983 Ron persuaded Mansour Ojjeh (son of the founder) to change from being a sponsor (of Williams) to being a 50% owner of McLaren. This resulted, among other things, in the TAG-badged Porsche engine that for a time was very successfully run in McLaren F1 cars.

In '85 TAG Group bought the Heuer watch company, which had been in business for many decades and which itself was already involved in racing sponsorship. New watch company was called TAG Heuer.

In the late '90s, TAG Group sold TAG Heuer to LVMH, which owns a lot of pretentious, overpriced fashion brands, such as Dior, Louis Vuitton, Hublot, and Loewe, and wines and spirits companies such as Dom Perignon, Krug, Hennessy and Moet & Chandon.

Although TAG Group sold off the watch business years ago, it retained its ownership stake in McLaren Group. Although its percentage ownership has fluctuated over the years as first Mercedes became a shareholder, then the Bahrainis became shareholders, then Mercedes sold, the TAG Group and Mansour Ojjeh have always had a shareholding in McLaren Group equal to Ron's.

The status of TAG/Ojjeh's shareholding has been the subject of speculation in the last year or two. Mansour Ojjeh's health was problematical (he had a double lung transplant), and reportedly his family have been pushing for the stake in McLaren Group to be sold. I have no idea where that stands now.

 

you are all a bunch of misery guts at times!
I love my titanium rm11

 

Either that or we have taste.

 

there is a time and a place for them and like AP's a lot of them are horrible. the titanium 11 really is the only model I like at the moment

 

That's interesting that an Apple watch can control gopro, can it interact with apple carplay. My assistants are around so I don't need to worry about appointments and weather kind of intel. lol


I rarely wear a watch maybe a divers watch once in awhile, I have one of the older Mariana trench watches and an old Russian divers watch which I like. All the others are in the safe and sit. Less is more is my philosophy, I can appreciate the complications but let someone else flash their watch.


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I wouldn't be surprised if Mansour Ojjeh does sell his shares. It would have to be to the right person or group in his eyes. I rarely mention his name but this is the shareholder I know. He's the one that I presented all the intel on McLaren aftersales experiences to.