That roof profile looks shocking...way too square.

Reminds me of this actually.

 

There is going to have to be alot going on under that camo to match the P1,im not sure about the look of those porthole quarter lights,there is no continuity between those and the rest of the lines??? You could argue that it has quarter lights though?? Unless they are hatches for whatever ?

 

Those were plainly visible on the chassis mockup they showed in Paris. They won't be windows though - I don't think, as they're not going to offer any visibility based on the way the passenger cell is shaped in relation.

And I agree - the camo on this car is hiding a lot of things. Most of what you can see in any of those photos is not real. I do think the top of the windshield is a bit too squared off, but I think the rest of the car will be one of Ferrari's better designs in recent years. I'm really not a fan of most of their recent stuff.

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... I think the rest of the car will be one of Ferrari's better designs in recent years. I'm really not a fan of most of their recent stuff.

I concur. The last designs that resonated w/ me, in their entirety, were the 550/575 Maranello, 612 Scaglietti, and F430. Their successors have their notable attributes, but lack an overall cohesiveness in the sense of a uniform design. Just me 2-pence...

I think the 150 is going to look a lot like a 458 on steroids.

Generally speaking, the "super" Ferrari sets the design-direction for the forward coming models (namely the MR V8 models), irrespective of its model-year release.

288 GTO
308
328

F40
348
355

F50
360
430

Enzo
458
458-v2

F150
458-v2_successor
458-v2_successor-II

Point being, the F150 will transcend the Enzo/458 form-factor. Well, at least going by past trends.

... I think!

 

i hadnt seen the rear view before ,so clearly not quarter lights,but they are big for just the fuel filler

 

That mule is wearing serious camo, I think. Looking at the roof line, and feeling that modern performance cars are penned by the designer's wind tunnel, I think the 150 is going to look a lot like a 458 on steroids.

 

Those headlights are butt ugly, but based on earlier front and rear photos that were revealed I think the overall design is going to be pretty awesome. Very racecar inspired and not soft and over-styled like Ferrari's current line-up. At least that is what I am hoping. Although, I must admit that my confidence in Mr. Manzoni is not brimming.

 

Probably the best images yet of Ferrari's 'Ugly Duckling'

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Ive said it before , underestimate this car at your peril

 

In case you were referring to me, I'm not underestimating it. Ferrari have taken an extra six months to ensure they don't get completely embarrassed by the McLaren P1 and they must have a few tricks up their sleeve. I simply referred to it as the 'ugly duckling' because it has a duck bill face and is probably one of the least appealing looking prototypes in history. No doubt once they strip the camo several of its ungainly features will disappear.

If you were referring to andy c's comment - well, he's just a McLaren fan boy.

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1.13.8 min/sec



How much faster could this baby move.... Than the Pagani Huayra - wai-ra..?

 

This is getting pretty interesting, here's a question,
I'm guessing ferrari are wanting to be faster than the pagani. And in turn mclaren are going to want to be faster than the ferrari and vice versa. How freakin fast are these two going to be following paganis top gear effort.
Also I think the only thing that resembles the production fezz would be the tub that's it!
It's not going to be ugly, truly fast things are never ugly beneath the makeup.
Jake,

 

There are portions of the bodywork seen there that are true to production. Certainly the greenhouse shape along with the glass is here to stay and portions of the fenders appear to be the real deal. The back end is a farce and the duckbill will also disappear. Supposedly previews for European customers will take place this week and next so more real details may soon slip out.

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Well they did an excellent job of camouflaging the car, because I find it looks hideous the way it is. Job well done. Cheers.....??

 

At least the Ferrari prototype beats the P1 and Huayra in ground clearance. Speaking of which, development of the twin chassis continues.

 

Specs from MarkoRamius on TeamSpeed via one of the private factory previews.

950 BHP plays 1,270 KG
Bespoke V12 built to sound like a Formula One engine at full chat
Engine Red-Lines @ 9,200 RPM but Max Torque available from 1,000RPM
499 Cars @ EUR1.2 million
Official Launch in Geneva
Deliveries Commence December 2013

trax then clarified that its 800hp from the V12 and then 150hp boost from KERS. Also weight figure listed is Dry Weight.

The most laughable part of Marko's claims aren't on the list though - it's the part where he said "...the F150 is phenomenal and will comprehensively annihilate the P1". Riiiiight...

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Specs from MarkoRamius on TeamSpeed via one of the private factory previews.



trax then clarified that its 800hp from the V12 and then 150hp boost from KERS. Also weight figure listed is Dry Weight.

The most laughable part of Marko's claims aren't on the list though - it's the part where he said "...the F150 is phenomenal and will comprehensively annihilate the P1". Riiiiight...

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Shame as Marko has talked sense in the past and owns a 12c,seems the Italians are getting to him,i see there is no mention of downforce,which is telling in itself

 

Shared on Fchat:

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So the car will come without side windows now?

 

Another take on the specs - these comments come from the name on that little plaque above:

Just saw the F150 ( the new Enzo) official name not released yet. Overall view: only 499 will be produced. only available in 3 colour. 800hp at 9200RPM with additional KERS of 150HP. Zero to 100 in 3 second to 200 in 7 seconds. Max speed around 370KMH. Fiorano Best lap with Alonso driving 1:20. Numbering expected in less than 7minutes. Fixed seat. Adjustable paddles. Rear Wing and mobile Diffuser. Break from 200 to zero. In 115 Meters. Weight around 1280 include the electrical engine of 150kg. Chassis totally made of Carbon Fiber. T800 and T1000 sheet. Kavler protected underneath.
The car is breathtaking. If I was a Saint and she was a ***** it would make me certainly a Sinner.

I know some people who've had unholy thoughts upon first sight of the P1 as well so again it sounds like the battle will be close on most fronts. I expect P1 to have better brakes and better aero. The Ferrari will undoubtedly sound better and I think it will be "prettier" too. A lucky individual will have the choice between the two but I doubt either car will be judged a loser by those without some form of bias.

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Another take on the specs - these comments come from the name on that little plaque above:



I know some people who've had unholy thoughts upon first sight of the P1 as well so again it sounds like the battle will be close on most fronts. I expect P1 to have better brakes and better aero. The Ferrari will undoubtedly sound better and I think it will be "prettier" too. A lucky individual will have the choice between the two but I doubt either car will be judged a loser by those without some form of bias.

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9200rpms......that is going to sound WICKED! 1280kg that is impressive if TRUE. also under 7mins at the RING, unchartered territory for a LEGAL road car. We will see

 

I agree - mag racing is generally pointless. I do like some of the recent efforts to not only test cars on the same day under same conditions but go a step further by putting them on a dyno to measure power output and even throwing them on an alignment rack to check specs. If we could get a control tire that would be even more telling, but I doubt the manufacturers would agree and in these sizes there isn't always a common choice.

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Sport Auto Germany probably goes to the most effort to standardize and report comprehensive data, from what I can tell. But yes, even their reports are useless when concerning press cars because there is no control tire and never will be (nor should be, probably, since cars are developed holistically for the tires they ship with). Only the manufacturer knows what compound is used for the tires on the press cars and that alone will make a huge difference to lap times.

Ferrari has figured out how to make these tests (and the subsequent magazine articles) in effect an extension of their own marketing department. Most other manufacturers have not developed that ability, though the non-existence of 458 spider vs 12C Spider comparison tests suggests to me that McLaren is re-thinking their approach and perhaps opted out, for the time being.

With the bragging rights at stake in the F70 vs P1 rivalry, I shudder (gag?) at the amount of politics and shenanigans that are likely to ensue.

 

Pagani vs Ferrari

1.20? If it's true..? Similar lap times to Huayra at the TG track?

 

CARS UK sites a 599XX owner as blogging 1365kg KERB (approx 3000lbs) weight. Take it with a grain of salt

 

I thought the Radical was road legal? It's 6:48 time doesn't count then?

 

Not in the GREAT US of A

 

Berlusconi might get involved.

It would be nice if some publication could get a privately owned F70 and P1 and have a real test. But I guess that would mean it would be the last Ferrari they would ever get access to.

 

The problem is that the media channel itself (the magazines) has been corrupted. So anything written is not trustworthy. But if the two owners did their own test (or one owner that owns both), that might be interesting.

 

Throwing out my bold prediction - the new Ferrari supercar may be called the Agnelli for the late head of FIAT, Gianni Agnelli who passed away 10 years ago.

During this morning's F138 presentation in Maranello they dedicated a short bit of it to a video honoring his legacy.

http://www.ferrari.com/english/formula1/news/specials/Pages/tribute-to-gianni-agnelli.aspx

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Bold prediction for sure. I doubt it tho, as to the uninformed, it just sounds like pasta.

 

I heard it will be called the Benito, after Benito Mussolini, as it will dictate performance super car limits.

The Ferrari Benito..........the car whose performance you can trust. A new direction for Ferrari. Place orders here Grazie mille!

 

I heard it will be called the Benito, after Benito Mussolini, as it will dictate performance super car limits.

The Ferrari Benito..........the car whose performance you can trust. A new direction for Ferrari. Place orders here Grazie mille!

It'll still be HUNG out to dry by the P1.

 

Well here's the most recent video footage, I can't say I'm impressed but what do I know enjoy. Cheers.....??

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2013/2/5/Listen-to-the-Ferrari-F150-Roar-on-the-Track-7712833

 

Unenjoyable noise.

 

Thought we'd be hearing something more like this:

 

Exactly, well I have to say more like the Koenigsegg Agera-R. I don't know but they really seem to be taking it kind of easy on the supercar / hypercar. I still love the P1. Cheers....??I've converted.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/11...1/11/30/Video-Onboard-the-Koenigsegg-Agera-R-as-it-Smashes-World-Record-7706099