[benjiwengy]

I don't know if McLaren have finalised the specification on the P13, or whether they pay any attention to this forum, but what would you most like to see incorporated in their entry level sports car?

Here's my top five-

1. Dimensions. Must be considerably smaller than the 12c. No bigger than a 911.
2. A More upright driving position. Visibility is more important than CoG.
3. A light weight gearbox. Either a manual or single clutch.
4. Option of 4WD. For everyday driving, particularly in the UK, it does make a difference.
5. A LSD

 

[widowmaker911]

I don't know if McLaren have finalised the specification on the P13, or whether they pay any attention to this forum, but what would you most like to see incorporated in their entry level sports car?

Here's my top five-

1. Dimensions. Must be considerably smaller than the 12c. No bigger than a 911.
2. A More upright driving position. Visibility is more important than CoG.
3. A light weight gearbox. Either a manual or single clutch.
4. Option of 4WD. For everyday driving, particularly in the UK, it does make a difference.
5. A LSD

Addendum
-Light weight.....no more than boxster
-NA small displace high rev engine......I want that NA SOUND from at least one
of their products; if weight is kept down they can go small displace. Carreras S has 400hp from 3.8 and that is a FAST CAR. Can you imagine if McLaren's weigh 200 less ;0)
-conventional suspension if they can keep weight down or use the 12C...that one wasn't TOO BAD ;0)

 

[andy c]

I don't know if McLaren have finalised the specification on the P13, or whether they pay any attention to this forum, but what would you most like to see incorporated in their entry level sports car?

Here's my top five-

1. Dimensions. Must be considerably smaller than the 12c. No bigger than a 911.
2. A More upright driving position. Visibility is more important than CoG.
3. A light weight gearbox. Either a manual or single clutch.
4. Option of 4WD. For everyday driving, particularly in the UK, it does make a difference.
5. A LSD

Just a small point Benji,if the p13 was to have the same driving postion as the 12c,it would be in a class of 2 for the best driving postition in a sportscar,so you neednt worry

 

[MP4ME]

1. easier to get in and out of
2. NA engine and loose the induction sound
3. Smaller over all.
4. standard suspension
5. a glove box or door pockets

 

[6th element]

Sounds like some of you guys are going backwards with the technology. What's the point, may as well just buy a Porsche.

Here's my wish list:

- 1+2 configuration aka F1 seating for 3
- carbon monocoque (a given) with active noise reduction to attenuate the sounds amplified by hollow tub.
- small displacement, ultra lightweight turbo six based on 2014 Formula One spec, 9500-10500 rpm with KERS. 500-675hp, depending on variant. Remember this car must compete with base 911 and GT2 and the 12C's replacement will already be in the pipe line.
- Inconel exhaust as standard.
- HR-PCC (high resolution proactive chassis control) hydraulic suspension as in 12C except with many, many increments of user-selectable roll control (rather than only three). Included proactive ride height control, as on banned Williams F1, car. Integrated front end lift kit and air jack.
- Brake Steer v2.0
- Pre-Cog DCG v2.0 with 'Hyper-Cog' (delivers an extra surge of KERS during cog swap for true seamless shift zero torque interruption)
- valet switch giving only 250hp
- no side mirrors. HUD display with virtual mirrors and integrated back up camera.
- Mac Osx onboard computer for Nav, entertainment, track data, etc.
- Optional FULL carbon interior. Not the overlay carbon jewelry like the 12C, but where actual dash, seats etc are carbon construction.
- Air Brake v2.0, Active aerodynamics and blown diffuser.

This is McLaren, after all. May as well push the engineers a bit, eh?

 

[mclarenf1gtr]

Sounds like some of you guys are going backwards with the technology. What's the point, may as well just buy a Porsche.

Here's my wish list:

- 1+2 configuration aka F1 seating for 3
- carbon monocoque (a given) with active noise reduction to attenuate the sounds amplified by hollow tub.
- small displacement, ultra lightweight turbo six based on 2014 Formula One spec, 9500-10500 rpm with KERS. 500-675hp, depending on variant. Remember this car must compete with base 911 and GT2 and the 12C's replacement will already be in the pipe line.
- Inconel exhaust as standard.
- HR-PCC (high resolution proactive chassis control) hydraulic suspension as in 12C except with many, many increments of user-selectable roll control (rather than only three). Included proactive ride height control, as on banned Williams F1, car. Integrated front end lift kit and air jack.
- Brake Steer v2.0
- Pre-Cog DCG v2.0 with 'Hyper-Cog' (delivers an extra surge of KERS during cog swap for true seamless shift zero torque interruption)
- valet switch giving only 250hp
- no side mirrors. HUD display with virtual mirrors and integrated back up camera.
- Mac Osx onboard computer for Nav, entertainment, track data, etc.
- Optional FULL carbon interior. Not the overlay carbon jewelry like the 12C, but where actual dash, seats etc are carbon construction.
- Air Brake v2.0, Active aerodynamics and blown diffuser.

This is McLaren, after all. May as well push the engineers a bit, eh?

You're sure you're not describing the F1 successor, there, 6th E?

5 elements for me:
1) CF tub construction, but more aluminum, less CF in general when compared to 12C [keeps costs down]
2) manual gearbox as standard, DSG as an option [keeps weight down]
3) 2+2 seating [if McLaren intends for this to compete with the base 911 models. The 12C and its successors can tango with the hyper 911 variants]
4) 6 cylinder small displacement TT engine
5) An oft-overlooked, but important point: good steering feel. A lot of journo's have mentioned that steering is a little numb on the 991 (Chris Harris said this was also true for the upcoming Boxster). This was due to the switch from hydraulic to electric steering.

 

[widowmaker911]

You're sure you're not describing the F1 successor, there, 6th E?

5 elements for me:
1) CF tub construction, but more aluminum, less CF in general when compared to 12C [keeps costs down]
2) manual gearbox as standard, DSG as an option [keeps weight down]
3) 2+2 seating [if McLaren intends for this to compete with the base 911 models. The 12C and its successors can tango with the hyper 911 variants]
4) 6 cylinder small displacement TT engine
5) An oft-overlooked, but important point: good steering feel. A lot of journo's have mentioned that steering is a little numb on the 991 (Chris Harris said this was also true for the upcoming Boxster). This was due to the switch from hydraulic to electric steering.

That did kinda sound like F1 successor......remember this has to be $120-130K US car to compete with the 911. Can't get to exotic with materials and tech if you are gonna keep cost down. Hope the pull it off......and radio/sat nav CAN NOT BE CRAP, cause 911 has one of the best money can buy!

 

[6th element]

You're sure you're not describing the F1 successor, there, 6th E?

At least 2 years before this model hits the streets. Remember 12C had 5 year gestation period, internal R&D is already light years ahead of what the 12C currently has for tech and pretty sure that McLaren has no plans to stay stagnant like Ferrari has done with its metal frame, for example. We are on the cusp of a tech war with Lambo, Merc, Audi, perhaps even Lotus and McLaren must lead innovation in all segments. The new 911 GT 2/3 variants are going to be barn burners; if McLaren is going to make a car that can compete with the whole range, then there will be a version faster than the current 12C, or else they shouldn't even bother. That's not to say there won't be a faster 12C variant, too. McLaren has a mandate not to merely push the envelope, but tear it wide open, I expect nothing less.

 

[6th element]

That did kinda sound like F1 successor......remember this has to be $120-130K US car to compete with the 911. Can't get to exotic with materials and tech if you are gonna keep cost down. Hope the pull it off......and radio/sat nav CAN NOT BE CRAP, cause 911 has one of the best money can buy!

Yes, McLaren CAN go exotic and get the cost down. They have to - that is their USP in the market. Remember F1 tub took 4000 hrs vs 4 hours in 12C. THAT is innovation. 12C successor must be a year early to follow 458 successor, so model year 2016. It will have tech that makes my wish list look ancient. The F1 successor better have a whole bunch of stuff that lowly 6E can't even think of, or else it won't be a halo car in the slightest, will it? You guys need to remember "good is not good enough".

 

[widowmaker911]

At least 2 years before this model hits the streets. Remember 12C had 5 year gestation period, internal R&D is already light years ahead of what the 12C currently has for tech and pretty sure that McLaren has no plans to stay stagnant like Ferrari has done with its metal frame, for example. We are on the cusp of a tech war with Lambo, Merc, Audi, perhaps even Lotus and McLaren must lead innovation in all segments. The new 911 GT 2/3 variants are going to be barn burners; if McLaren is going to make a car that can compete with the whole range, then there will be a version faster than the current 12C, or else they shouldn't even bother. That's not to say there won't be a faster 12C variant, too. McLaren has a mandate not to merely push the envelope, but tear it wide open, I expect nothing less.

Hope you are correct in McLaren leading the way......cause Porsche is on their game. Remember the GT2 RS did 7:18. Nxt gen GT2 will probably do under 7mins! the new electric steering is pretty close to the 997, you know Porsche will improve on that for the GT versions and the 7spd DSG which will be on the GT versions will only get quicker, it's already very good. Porsche is all about track times and they are masters at it

 

[6th element]

Hope you are correct in McLaren leading the way......cause Porsche is on their game. Remember the GT2 RS did 7:18. Nxt gen GT2 will probably do under 7mins! the new electric steering is pretty close to the 997, you know Porsche will improve on that for the GT versions and the 7spd DSG which will be on the GT versions will only get quicker, it's already very good. Porsche is all about track times and they are masters at it

That was a factory time on a slightly shorter Ring, but yes your point is salient. Beating up on Ferrari will be like taking candy from a Plato, compared to stealing market share from Stuttgart. There is no room among Porsche's faithful for poseur emotions and fake styling like pretend F1 rain rear flashing lights. They expect a 100% reliable car that goes like snot. McLaren has no choice but to deliver more innovation for the same money.

 

[HyperMac954]

Random fact 6E - here in the States we are required to have mirrors - they cannot be changed to cameras. Supposedly, this is driven by the need for a police officer to be able to see you, off of the mirror.

Everything else, I want.

 

[6th element]

Random fact 6E - here in the States we are required to have mirrors - they cannot be changed to cameras. Supposedly, this is driven by the need for a police officer to be able to see you, off of the mirror.

Everything else, I want.

Good to know, thanks!

 

[Senna]

Supposedly, this is driven by the need for a police officer to be able to see you, off of the mirror.

Thats assuming they can catch you

 

[TAG]

Why on earth does not McLaren have an all carbon roof, considering that safety should be the highest priority? Lamborghini Aventador.. Little bit disappointed with the 12C that it does not have an all CF roof! Let's hope the P12 and P13 has an all CF roof! 12C Spider should have roll over hoops!

P13

* 2400-2500 lb

* Full CF chassi

* High revving 3900-4000cc atmospheric engine

* KERS (Hybrid) Start Stop

* Wish that the designs could be a bit more interesting, ie exterior and interior designs than the 12C. 12C it's a bit blend.

LOVE the MP4-12C BUT McLaren needs further fine honing the designs of their future cars! CF brakes should be standard items on the 12C since Ferrari is offering it for free on the 458!

 

[roundincircles]

Tag. You have to spend £170k plus to obtain the 458 brakes! How come that is considered 'free'?

 

[LimeyBloke]

Random fact 6E - here in the States we are required to have mirrors - they cannot be changed to cameras. Supposedly, this is driven by the need for a police officer to be able to see you, off of the mirror.

Everything else, I want.

Our government sticks it's nose into way too many things.

 

[Osiris_x11]

P13 wish-list...

- $125k-$150k (USD)
(purported to be upper-end of that range)

- composite/cf moncoque
(purported to have a MonoCell)

- mid-engine/rwd & ~3,000 lbs.
(likely for both)

- di-hedral doors
(seems plausible, due to overall width)

- high-revving, small-displacement NA V8 w/ 450hp/325ft-lbs.
(V8 seems to be a given; not sure of anything else)


Bonus...

* KERS (for the novelty)

* hydraulic-suspension & air-brake/brake-steer (ala MP4-12C)

* WiFi equipped I.C.E. w/ diagnostics/telemetry & H.U.D.

* removable t-top/Targa -or- panoramic glass-roof

* cooled/ventilated seats p)


And may be, just may be...

• working Doris D)