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Just recieved via fed x from my dealer at Lake Forest in Chicago the updated steering wheel with the new lighter paddle actuators. I had driven a newer 12c than mine with the new set up and it really made a difference in how the car felt It entices you to shoft more and the shifts definitely seemed more crisp (could be hallucinating), but it felt much more like the 458 I had and how it shuld have come from the factory. Having it installed tomorrow, will give an update afterwards.:D
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Just recieved via fed x from my dealer at Lake Forest in Chicago the updated steering wheel with the new lighter paddle actuators. I had driven a newer 12c than mine with the new set up and it really made a difference in how the car felt It entices you to shoft more and the shifts definitely seemed more crisp (could be hallucinating), but it felt much more like the 458 I had and how it shuld have come from the factory. Having it installed tomorrow, will give an update afterwards.:D
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Thanks C dub- very interested to hear the outcome. So they have to replace the whole wheel to get the lighter paddles? I take that is NOT covered under warranty!? :p
 

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ill swap the new wheel and paddles for the older one with anyone if they want it .
must be through official mclaren dealership please .
 

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Just recieved via fed x from my dealer at Lake Forest in Chicago the updated steering wheel with the new lighter paddle actuators. I had driven a newer 12c than mine with the new set up and it really made a difference in how the car felt It entices you to shoft more and the shifts definitely seemed more crisp (could be hallucinating), but it felt much more like the 458 I had and how it shuld have come from the factory. Having it installed tomorrow, will give an update afterwards.:D
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Hmmmmm, :D
 

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I had this done 2 months back before I took delivery of the car. It's a straight forward procedure and the only thing that has to be done is to code the new steering wheel to the car using the McLaren diagnostic equipment. Cort is correct, with this easier paddle shift, it does entice the driver to use the manual mode more often. Enjoy mate.
 

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Cort is correct, with this easier paddle shift, it does entice the driver to use the manual mode more often.
I'm surprised you'd need enticing to use manual mode. I've only ever used the car in auto once, the day I drove home from the showroom.

I've experienced both shifts and will be definitely keeping the "old" shift ... but everyone has their own preference.
 

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I guess this is really a personal thing but when I want a shift to happen, I want it almost the mili second before I knew I wanted it, meaning I do not want to pre cog or have to go through any additional steps to make it happen. I love the lighter and more immediate shift action of these new actuators, it really entices me to paddle the car manually more often.

Because I live in Los Angeles I am often in auto mode, which by the way I think is a way better software program than the auto mode I had for my 458. When in sport active auto mode, the kick down to lower gears is immediate, it holds rev's where I need it to and is really sensitive to throttle position and time in the position. It is very intuitive to when you want to relax the driving style again or when you want to "go after it", they did their homework in this mode IMO.

The thing I did not like about this car, as compared to my 458, was that to access the performance envelope it took so much effort in comparison. The throttle travel is much longer and stiffer, shifting actuation was two stepped and more resistant, steering is a bit slower. The new paddles, for me, eliminate one of the barriers to engaging the Dr. Jekyll from Mr. Hyde, which I like to do often. The ultimate parameters of performance seem higher to me than the 458 it's just that getting there was a bit of a chore, if you will. I bet the software updates make the throttle more similar to the 458, I would wager on this, than we will all have the perfect balance between daily driver and hyper sensitive "super car", it will be the clear winner.

Mclaren should make available this new steering wheel update to every current owner at the dead cost of what it cost them to make the wheel, no mark up whatsoever, create some real "good will" so we can all be satiated for a bit until the updates come, if and when.

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I guess this is really a personal thing but when I want a shift to happen, I want it almost the mili second before I knew I wanted it, meaning I do not want to pre cog or have to go through any additional steps to make it happen. I love the lighter and more immediate shift action of these new actuators, it really entices me to paddle the car manually more often.

Because I live in Los Angeles I am often in auto mode, which by the way I think is a way better software program than the auto mode I had for my 458. When in sport active auto mode, the kick down to lower gears is immediate, it holds rev's where I need it to and is really sensitive to throttle position and time in the position. It is very intuitive to when you want to relax the driving style again or when you want to "go after it", they did their homework in this mode IMO.

The thing I did not like about this car, as compared to my 458, was that to access the performance envelope it took so much effort in comparison. The throttle travel is much longer and stiffer, shifting actuation was two stepped and more resistant, steering is a bit slower. The new paddles, for me, eliminate one of the barriers to engaging the Dr. Jekyll from Mr. Hyde, which I like to do often. The ultimate parameters of performance seem higher to me than the 458 it's just that getting there was a bit of a chore, if you will. I bet the software updates make the throttle more similar to the 458, I would wager on this, than we will all have the perfect balance between daily driver and hyper sensitive "super car", it will be the clear winner.

Mclaren should make available this new steering wheel update to every current owner at the dead cost of what it cost them to make the wheel, no mark up whatsoever, create some real "good will" so we can all be satiated for a bit until the updates come, if and when.

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Agreed - everybody has their own preferences. For example, I find the longer throttle travel beneficial to regulate the precise amount of boost, especially on the track. For me, the more the car morphs into a Ferrari (throttle feel, steering rate, seat stitching, whatever) the less desirable a McLaren will be and also the less likely it is that I will buy another one. But that is just me.

Anyway, the question I have is this: Are you saying that with the new paddles, the car actually shifts quicker? I don't know how this could be possible, without an update to the gearbox control software. That is, unless the switch built into the new paddles just activates Pre-Cog every single time, where before you were not using it. Are you able to clarify? Thanks.
 

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Hard to say if it actually shifts faster, it feels more like to access to the shift is quicker, meaning that yes, it feels like the pre cog is already done as soon as you pull the paddle. I cant imagine that it actually "shifts quicker," as this is a mechanical change made through software changes (pump pressure, shift rod and actuator speeds etc.).
Again for me, it's all about accessing every performance parameter more quickly.

e.g. When I lowered the car and spaced out the wheels (front in particular) it added a bit of toe out which I did not change. Made the car "turn in" a bit more quickly, I like this, as I feel that the steering initial rate is a bit slow, again all very personal in how I want my super sports car to drive. The car's natural set up is for a bunch of push, not my preference for a street car, feels less exciting this way to me.

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i bought a new McLean mp4 12c 2012, and after 200km i notice a sound and they changed the steering wheel box with complete arm.
 

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Hard to say if it actually shifts faster, it feels more like to access to the shift is quicker, meaning that yes, it feels like the pre cog is already done as soon as you pull the paddle. I cant imagine that it actually "shifts quicker," as this is a mechanical change made through software changes (pump pressure, shift rod and actuator speeds etc.).
Again for me, it's all about accessing every performance parameter more quickly.

e.g. When I lowered the car and spaced out the wheels (front in particular) it added a bit of toe out which I did not change. Made the car "turn in" a bit more quickly, I like this, as I feel that the steering initial rate is a bit slow, again all very personal in how I want my super sports car to drive. The car's natural set up is for a bunch of push, not my preference for a street car, feels less exciting this way to me.

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Great, thanks for the reply, Cort. Sounds like it is activating Pre-Cog with every pull. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out after update 10.
 

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Hard to say if it actually shifts faster, it feels more like to access to the shift is quicker, meaning that yes, it feels like the pre cog is already done as soon as you pull the paddle. I cant imagine that it actually "shifts quicker," as this is a mechanical change made through software changes (pump pressure, shift rod and actuator speeds etc.).
Again for me, it's all about accessing every performance parameter more quickly.
I'd say the actual shift time is identical it's just that the original needs a harder tug which likely gives the impression it's not as quick. The new system feels a bit too Playstation for me.
 

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i bought a new McLean mp4 12c 2012, and after 200km i notice a sound and they changed the steering wheel box with complete arm.
KSA,dont shout out too loud about your power upgrade,warrenties are fickle!! But i would like to know about any performance difference you have found,and how it affects the handling and TC electronics if at all ??:)
 

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try to be polite to get an answer....
No offence intended!:) It was just a humourous suggestion that sometimes it dosent pay to advertise,especially while under warrenty.Of course to some people thats not an issue,i obviously overstepped the mark in your opinion,my apologies.
But i could have mis-read your response as members put in a :) if its in jest!!
Now im just confusing myself:) so i will leave it up to you to tell all or keep stum!!
It has been mentioned before that the British sense of humour can be somewhat confusing!!
 

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No offence intended!:) It was just a humourous suggestion that sometimes it dosent pay to advertise,especially while under warrenty.Of course to some people thats not an issue,i obviously overstepped the mark in your opinion,my apologies.
But i could have mis-read your response as members put in a :) if its in jest!!
Now im just confusing myself:) so i will leave it up to you to tell all or keep stum!!
It has been mentioned before that the British sense of humour can be somewhat confusing!!
Andy DO NOT give your apologies you was only HELPING ! ! . KSA Andy is a TOPMAN if you have been on this site you should know that. He help's us ALL. ( So if you do not like It ------------------ OFF ) . :mad::mad::mad:
 

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Andy DO NOT give your apologies you was only HELPING ! ! . KSA Andy is a TOPMAN if you have been on this site you should know that.He help's us ALL. ( So if you do if like what It ------------------ OFF ) . :mad::mad::mad:
Which diplomatic office where you offered Robbie?? im sure you mentioned it once ,im sure RIC will remind me!!:rolleyes:;)
 

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i bought a new McLean mp4 12c 2012, and after 200km i notice a sound and they changed the steering wheel box with complete arm.
So how come you list your car as a McLaren MP4-12C 800hp 2013?

Robbie, can you pop over to Syria to sort things out! :D
 

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Andy DO NOT give your apologies you was only HELPING ! ! . KSA Andy is a TOPMAN if you have been on this site you should know that. He help's us ALL. ( So if you do not like It ------------------ OFF ) . :mad::mad::mad:
Bit harsh Robbie? Not everyone has English as a first language and this one could easily have been a case of lost in translation?
 
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