[roundincircles]

I noticed that the cost of tyres has rocketed and the MP12's are £450 each or £2k for four, about double a 911.

So what do current owners guess they will achieve mileage wise? Presumably the rears wear faster?

 

[Moncho]

Probably 4-5,000 miles, like most sports cars I've had. This obviously depends on driving style. I will probably go to Michellin Pilot Super Sports when this happens. I'm not a big P-zero fan. The Michellins are better, last longer and are less expensive (though not by much).

 

[andy c]

Probably 4-5,000 miles, like most sports cars I've had. This obviously depends on driving style. I will probably go to Michellin Pilot Super Sports when this happens. I'm not a big P-zero fan. The Michellins are better, last longer and are less expensive (though not by much).

Way off Moncho,3500 miles so far,very little commuting all balls out fun,and so far im seeing little wear.This has a lot to do with the compliant suspension and very advanced TC,so i reckon 10k miles plus or more if you using the car as a DD

 

[Moncho]

That's great news!!
My R8 is on the 2nd set of tires at 7,000 miles.

 

[roundincircles]

Way off Moncho,3500 miles so far,very little commuting all balls out fun,and so far im seeing little wear.This has a lot to do with the compliant suspension and very advanced TC,so i reckon 10k miles plus or more if you using the car as a DD

The first London demo was at 9000 miles with tread in OK condition , maybe a couple of thou left.

 

[6th element]

This has a lot to do with the compliant suspension and very advanced TC,

don't forget the lower weight.....

 

[depthofshine]

I noticed that the cost of tyres has rocketed and the MP12's are £450 each or £2k for four, about double a 911.

So what do current owners guess they will achieve mileage wise? Presumably the rears wear faster?

Are the tyres mclaren specific or just y rated?

 

[Marin 12C]

Are the tyres mclaren specific or just y rated?

When Antony Sheriff was at the SF dealership, he said that the tires were engineered specifically for the 12C and that "they could have said McLaren on the sidewalls".

 

[depthofshine]

mmm I doubt they would say mclaren on them or if they do that's just so you would buy them off them, I'll have a look tomorrow as popping over to the dealer. There might be a reference mark to differentiate from normal pirellis like extra load etc. I've just priced up a set delivered of the net for around £1800 y speed rating.

 

[Marin 12C]

mmm I doubt they would say mclaren on them or if they do that's just so you would buy them off them, I'll have a look tomorrow as popping over to the dealer. There might be a reference mark to differentiate from normal pirellis like extra load etc. I've just priced up a set delivered of the net for around £1800 y speed rating.

His point was that they had engineered the tires jointly with Pirelli. Sheriff also commented that the various electronic aids were programmed based upon the grip characteristics of the tire design.

 

[6th element]

His point was that they had engineered the tires jointly with Pirelli. Sheriff also commented that the various electronic aids were programmed based upon the grip characteristics of the tire design.

Did he specify which tire? i.e. the standard P Zero? Or the Corsa?

 

[andy c]

When Antony Sheriff was at the SF dealership, he said that the tires were engineered specifically for the 12C and that "they could have said McLaren on the sidewalls".

They do,its just a little subtle in been rated M1 on the sidewall instead

 

[roundincircles]

They do,its just a little subtle in been rated M1 on the sidewall instead

Andy, would you be reticent to try non-spec tyres like Michelin? I seem to remember Mclaren saying the suspension design allowed a softer compound???

 

[andy c]

Andy, would you be reticent to try non-spec tyres like Michelin? I seem to remember Mclaren saying the suspension design allowed a softer compound???

I might try the michelin ss,seen as the factory 458 has suddenly started braking all track records with this new tyre being the main difference!!!!,and its superb in the wet aswell as being as quick as a semi-slick.
Still i might try them anyway

 

[roundincircles]

Andy, I have checked and the PZ's are a softer compound due to Mclaren suspension compliance and thus I wonder if non-spec tyres l, like the Mich SS, would mess up the stability/traction settings........maybe harder compound equals earlier brake away so no problem.....but.maybe it would invalidate the insurance.....must find out I guess.

 

[Sanguru]

is anybody on the corsas? All the demo cars have been on regular pirelli p zeros. I am thinking of ordering it with the corsas since I will be doing track days when I get my 12c.

 

[6th element]

is anybody on the corsas? All the demo cars have been on regular pirelli p zeros. I am thinking of ordering it with the corsas since I will be doing track days when I get my 12c.

Have not driven the Corsas, but I saw a set mounted on Lightweight wheels in my dealer's showroom. I'm not sold on them - The tread is definitely deeper than a Michelin Pilot Sport Cup, for example, and as we have seen the wet performance is apparently shite anyway, so as a second set it may make more sense to see what other tires are available. I have to assume that a MPSC would be a better track day tire, although I have no idea yet if the size and spec will be compatible with the 12C.

I really (really, really) hope there are no warranty issues with fitting different tires, as that would be a very un-McLaren thing to do. Anything street legal and with a proper rating should be fair game.

 

[Ritesh]

As Andy stated... The PZ's are designed specifically for the MP4 and have a M1 designation. My salesman recommended sticking with the PZ's.... Of course it might have something to do with the $$

 

[depthofshine]

I saw the m1 on the side walls today but not sure if the castings are different to normal p zeros's these are used on paganis and the new aventador.

I found rears for £291 each delivered on black circles I couldn't find fronts but guess around £220

I think there would be issues if tyres are changed from factory specific within warrant period due to sensor settings, I agree a tyre is black and round but manufacturers don't see it like that.

 

[roundincircles]

I might try the michelin ss,seen as the factory 458 has suddenly started braking all track records with this new tyre being the main difference!!!!,and its superb in the wet aswell as being as quick as a semi-slick.
Still i might try them anyway

Andy, I called a Michelin Techhead at their HQ. He helped me last year when tyres for one of my bikes were unavailable and the bike manufacturer would not approve Michelin but at the time Michelin had completed their own testing and he sent me an email confirming approval.

So he said he would be reticent to use other than Mclaren approved as the sidewall and tread/compond/construction specification become important at speed and when hot under load, especially high torque load.

However I do wonder if we are talking about performance at the extreme and mere mortals don't get there?

It is an issue on bikes as the tyres work different to CAR tyres in that they have to maintain profile for stability.

However he expected Michelin to go through a testing programme with Mclaren at some, unconfirmed, point.


I have now been quoted £300 for the PZ rears.