I stated from the outset that Ferrari's weight claim for the LaF was bullshit. And owner testing proves it.

 

EVO video comparison between the P1 and 918 will be released on YouTube tomorrow, should be good to watch!

 

There was no chance the Laugher was going to weigh 1250kg, it was simply impossible with their big V12 and hybrid bits. I just don't understand why they keep up with this crap....

 

My fearless predictions, when the dust settles:

LaFerrari is the best street car
P1 is the best roadcourse car (faster circuits)
918 is the best autocross / tight circuit car (AWD)

P1 curb weight is 100 lbs heavier than the LaFerrari with the same quantity of fuel onboard (larger battery / hybrid system)

I'll weigh both cars once the LF arrives. I'll also offer an unbiased comparison of the P1 vs LF.

 

My fearless predictions, when the dust settles:



LaFerrari is the best street car

P1 is the best roadcourse car (faster circuits)

918 is the best autocross / tight circuit car (AWD)



P1 curb weight is 100 lbs heavier than the LaFerrari with the same quantity of fuel onboard (larger battery / hybrid system)



I'll weigh both cars once the LF arrives. I'll also offer an unbiased comparison of the P1 vs LF.

If we were to go by Pagani's weight claim, P1 seems to be the lighter car. That LaFerrari has been weighed by the owner and it's been reported on GCF as I said before. The poster is friends with some head Porsche engineers, so it's pretty reliable. Still, looking forward to your weight results!

 

10 bux says the P1 is easily the lightest

 

Based on two claims I've heard on measured weight, the P1 may be ~200lbs lighter.

Based on factory claimed PWR, the LaF should be 11% faster than a P1 in rolling acceleration and even more at high speed. I haven't seen any evidence of that and a sync'd 0-200kph run on YT shows the P1 to be faster below 200kph and another run shows them pretty much identical 200-250kph. So I tend to believe the two customer claims on actual weight.

 

P1 weighs ~1,500kg curb (no driver). This is coming from a very reliable source.

 

Hey Mikey-B, Can you have your P1 weighed? Or anyone else here with a P1?

 

P1: 3,394lbs full tank no driver, in what I assume would be the heaviest spec (full leather everything, the heavier sound system, floormats, both harnesses, my iphone cable, and probably a bit of mud from my boots). 3,548lbs with me in it, which served as a nice verification that my scales were well-calibrated to within a couple lbs (nice wireless intercomps). 60/40 distribution. Happy to post photos later when I get to a real computer, if it will finally put this weight debate to bed.

 

P1: 3,394lbs full tank no driver, in what I assume would be the heaviest spec(...)

Innnteresting. Thanks for posting; I'll throw my P1 on the scales in the next few days to get a second reading.

So, given P1 fuel tank is 16.3 gals US, and 1 gal of gasoline is 6.2 lbs, we have:

Fuel load = 101 lbs

P1 @ full tank = 3394 lbs or 1539 kg
P1 @ half tank, aka EU curb weight = 3344 lbs or 1517 kg
P1 @ empty tank = 3293 lbs or 1494 kg

 

Thought I'd share this here, since it's 918, P1 and TG related. We've obviously heard the stories about McLaren pulling out of the test against the 918. The other un-told half of the story is that Porsche sent a lightened 918 for the test and that is why McLaren took the decision not to participate in it.

Also, not sure if anyone has noticed it before, but the 918 that ran the 'Ring wasn't stock either. Here's a clue (look at the roof):

Stock:

Stock:

And the record holder:

 

Thought I'd share this here, since it's 918, P1 and TG related. We've obviously heard the stories about McLaren pulling out of the test against the 918. The other un-told half of the story is that Porsche sent a lightened 918 for the test and that is why McLaren took the decision not to participate in it.

Also, not sure if anyone has noticed it before, but the 918 that ran the 'Ring wasn't stock either. Here's a clue (look at the roof):

Maybe to compensate the weight added with Vbox, laptop, camera, helmet, racing suit, gloves, racing boots, etc

You are just nickpicking.

Now post P1 photos @ NS...

 

I see what you mean, neither of the stock cars have a laptop in passenger seat scandalous

 

I think McLaren fan boys are the biggest disservice to McLaren... Next only to Ron Dennis, followed by McLaren marketing. LOL!

 

Same as Porsche fan boys. And Ferrari (plus Ferrari's jackbooted view on journalism). Really just everyone pissing in the wind and expecting not to smell bad after.

 

lol exactly.

 

Interesting quote here:

"we were told ‘no track testing' as part of the agreement"

Now, I wonder who didn't want their car tested on the track? Porsche and McLaren were both more than willing in other tests ....

So the car that has fastest road legal car on a track as its specific remit and raison d'etre is barred from the track and comes in third.

There had better be a Round 2 solely on the track to balance things out. At least that could lead to a more nuanced conclusion -- "We preferred X on the road, but Y was better on the track."

 

"Ferrari - despite being wonderfully helpful in setting up the whole thing - unsurprisingly weren't keen to lend us their facility for running around in the other two..."

I'm sure they were terrified that the production car lap record would not be taken by a prancing pony. That would be really embarrassing!

 

I don't have issue with people posting "inside" information. The problem is it can't be substantiated and just raises more doubts from the haters. It really provides no real benefit.

So either McLaren doesn't have discipline to eliminate leaks or they release this inside information through these channels deliberately. Is it incompetence or really bad marketing?

 

I guess it's just a bit of fun goplay... anyone can post their opinion, however well informed it is...

Nobody thankfully posts 'I spoke to xxxxx and he said that this is happening' but there's a good deal of informed opinion on here.. working out what's true and what's not is the fun part, well at least partly..

I guess I am just saying its probably slightly unfair to dismiss someone as a fanboy .. there's always the possibility that he may well be accurate and correct..

 

If you don't show the laptime it's because it's not that good.

McLaren is a F1 team for gods sake. They know numbers/telemetry is everything in F1. They can't say "my laptime was faster than yours so I got pole position but I can't tell you the exact number".
That would be funny...Ferrari would always be on pole position then, masters of BS.

Under 7 min just means "we lost", period.

 

If you don't show the laptime it's because it's not that good.

Under 7 min just means "we lost", period.

Some people were singing a different tune when it came to the 7:18 lap of the GT2 RS weren't they? Oh boy, yes they were.

The reason the official time wasn't shown is because they didn't want to get into a death-defying, high-speed grudge match with Ferrari, where Ferrari would likely cheat anyway, not because they couldn't beat a certain heavier AWD car that they beat by 1.2s even on an autocross track.

I don't know why this 6:57 time even registers given that it was a non-stock car with a special fixed roof, no visors, no light console at top of rearview mirror stalk, no upholstery on the underside of the roof or on the pillars by the looks of things. Non-stock is non-stock, given the complaints about using an option tyre, why should a time set with car using completely non-stock, non-option parts count?

 

sorry isv I thought we were talking about the ring again.. yes I believe you are right about the weather. my bad

 

+1
I also thought we were talking about ring times and so forth.

I personally haven't got a clue what happened at top gear. It would indeed be amusing if, as seems likely, the test was called off due a wet track.

As oft stated, I wouldn't want them both to be tested in wet conditions. And I suspect neither would top gear..

 

To clear things up about the TG 918 vs P1 H2H, I'm referring to the test that was supposed to take place last month in October (different to the February one, obviously.)

 

Weight confirmed: 3411 lbs with a full tank, stock PZERO Corsa tires, alcantara+leather interior, upgraded stereo, plus full front / sides clearbra'd.

I drove downtown this evening, filled her up to the tippy top, and drove back (3 mi). Straight onto the scales. Here's the zero pic, the weight pic w/tires, and a cockpit pic showing the tank full.

Damned if McLaren hasn't gone and exceeded my expectations. I had figured the P1 would be 3450-3500 lbs full. Nice!

 

Thanks Ben,between yours and Matts with different specs that pretty much conclusive for where it should be given McLaren's quoted figures

 

I averaged out both of your weight results for full tank, and just did some Maths on the rest.

P1 Full tank: 1,543KG or 3402lbs
P1 Full tank + 75kg driver: 1618kg or 3567lbs
P1 Half tank: = 1520kg or 3351lbs
P1 Empty tank = 1497kg or 3300lbs

 

BTW - whoever from McLaren let that P1 go out on Anglesey on the road Corsas is a NAIVE IDIOT...

If they worked for me and had the chance to firmly put their foot into Porsche car company's throat and did not do so by using the best TIRES on a circuit favorable to Porsche then I would sack them immediately.

Children at play

 

Think it's fair to say there is renewed focus on these issues

 

Im glad they sent the P1 to the Sport Auto test in Germany on the Hockenheimring on the trofeos.
So the verdict is that the P1 is the faster car on track, despite loosing the Sound competion against the 918.
They should have started this way straight from the beginning...
No times announced only highspeed numbers on the straight P1 293 km/h vs 918 285 km/h

 

Just now from Jethro

‏@JonGalt_III
@JethroBovingdon Did the McLaren team that brought the trofeos give it the full ferrari laptop treatment and make it nothing like cust cars?

Jethro Bovingdon ‏@JethroBovingdon
@JonGalt_III No. Didn't touch it save for changing wheels.