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I am on the fence regarding buying a P1.

On one hand it is an incredible feat of engineering. On the other hand, there are still slots available ("I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me").

On one hand the things it does when you put it race mode is really cool. On the other hand, I could just buy a race car and the extra $1M would pay for a lot of racing.

What to do???

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I am on the fence regarding buying a P1.

On one hand it is an incredible feat of engineering. On the other hand, there are still slots available ("I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me").

On one hand the things it does when you put it race mode is really cool. On the other hand, I could just buy a race car and the extra $1M would pay for a lot of racing.

What to do???

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Well Goplay, I guess the other question would be if you do decide to put a deposit on a P1, will the people at McLaren approve your purchase. Its one thing to place a order for a P1, the other question would be will you actually be selected as the future owner of such a beautiful car. There is, I've been told an over booking for this model, these slots that exist I'm sure are just a safe guard. The more potential clients, could mean the more they can scrutinized to insure that the right individuals end up with this master piece of a car. So if I was working for McLaren and was on the pre qualification team, I'm not sure if I would want to have a client who's questioning online the purchase of this particular car, that's just a thought. Good luck with your decision. Cheers....??
 

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I was offered a car and I turned down the offer.

The P1 will never appreciate as much as the F1, period, if at all. Simple math, only 100 F1 while they will make 375 P1. I get much better return on the million dollars by investing in something else.

The car I really want from McLaren is the F1, not a replacement to the F1.

Where the hell am I going to drive a million dollar car to? To Starbucks? I already answers way too many questions at stop lights about the MP4-12C, if I go out in a P1, I won't make it pass the 1st stop light before sun down.

I 'could' track it to enjoy the car to it's fullest, BUT, even though I can afford it, wrecking a million dollar will still suck, big time.

In the end, rationality won.
 

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Well Goplay, I guess the other question would be if you do decide to put a deposit on a P1, will the people at McLaren approve your purchase. Its one thing to place a order for a P1, the other question would be will you actually be selected as the future owner of such a beautiful car. There is, I've been told an over booking for this model, these slots that exist I'm sure are just a safe guard. The more potential clients, could mean the more they can scrutinized to insure that the right individuals end up with this master piece of a car. So if I was working for McLaren and was on the pre qualification team, I'm not sure if I would want to have a client who's questioning online the purchase of this particular car, that's just a thought. Good luck with your decision. Cheers....??
Uh, I am pretty sure they would sell me one. The factory rep already told me that.

Besides the "qualification" thing is purely a sales tactic. Especially since there are still slots available. It is not over booked.

That's pretty funny though, you being on the "qualification team" and deeming me undeserving. LOL!
 

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I was offered a car and I turned down the offer.

The P1 will never appreciate as much as the F1, period, if at all. Simple math, only 100 F1 while they will make 375 P1. I get much better return on the million dollars by investing in something else.

The car I really want from McLaren is the F1, not a replacement to the F1.

Where the hell am I going to drive a million dollar car to? To Starbucks? I already answers way too many questions at stop lights about the MP4-12C, if I go out in a P1, I won't make it pass the 1st stop light before sun down.

I 'could' track it to enjoy the car to it's fullest, BUT, even though I can afford it, wrecking a million dollar will still suck, big time.

In the end, rationality won.
Kind of where I am at. The rationality thing kicking in.
 

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Uh, I am pretty sure they would sell me one. The factory rep already told me that.

Besides the "qualification" thing is purely a sales tactic. Especially since there are still slots available. It is not over booked.

That's pretty funny though, you being on the "qualification team" and deeming me undeserving. LOL!
Come on Goplay, sales people will tell you anything to get you're money, so let them sit on your $300k deposit until whenever they tell you yea or nay on your P1. Once again good luck with all that and may your dream come true. Please let me know if and when you do take delivery of this beauty, I've got my fingers crossed for you. Cheers.....??
 

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I was offered a car and I turned down the offer.

The P1 will never appreciate as much as the F1, period, if at all. Simple math, only 100 F1 while they will make 375 P1. I get much better return on the million dollars by investing in something else.

The car I really want from McLaren is the F1, not a replacement to the F1.

Where the hell am I going to drive a million dollar car to? To Starbucks? I already answers way too many questions at stop lights about the MP4-12C, if I go out in a P1, I won't make it pass the 1st stop light before sun down.

I 'could' track it to enjoy the car to it's fullest, BUT, even though I can afford it, wrecking a million dollar will still suck, big time.

In the end, rationality won.
Whoopsy it comes down to one simple thing, either you have the money or you don't, please don't take offense I'm sure your well off but. Rationality has nothing to do with it, these cars are meant for the silly silly rich. If I was silly silly rich, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate one bit to put money down on one or even two of these babies. Cheers....??
 

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Come on Goplay, sales people will tell you anything to get you're money, so let them sit on your $300k deposit until whenever they tell you yea or nay on your P1. Once again good luck with all that and may your dream come true. Please let me know if and when you do take delivery of this beauty, I've got my fingers crossed for you. Cheers.....??
You really do believe in this "qualification" thing don't you?

By the way, buying a car is not a "dream come true" -- at least not for me. It is just a car that you pay for, and where no one's life wil be any better or any worse if it never existed.

So cross your fingers for something else, but not for me.
 

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You really do believe in this "qualification" thing don't you?

By the way, buying a car is not a "dream come true" -- at least not for me. It is just a car that you pay for, and where no one's life wil be any better or any worse if it never existed.

So cross your fingers for something else, but not for me.
Hey Goplay it's a fact, just go and try and buy a F70 aka LaFerrari and let me know how much luck you have. I'm not the one who's dreaming here, I'm privy to this information. I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, I don't know you but to be successful your going to need a lot if clout and some history. Cheers.....??
 

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The P1 will never appreciate as much as the F1, period, if at all. Simple math, only 100 F1 while they will make 375 P1. .
McLaren had major problems selling all the F1s back in the 90s. A few sat around unsold for a couple of years. More F1s would have been produced if there had been more orders.

P1 has generated far more orders in a shorter period than the F1.
 

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Hey Goplay it's a fact, just go and try and buy a F70 aka LaFerrari and let me know how much luck you have. I'm not the one who's dreaming here, I'm privy to this information. I'm not trying to be rude or offensive, I don't know you but to be successful your going to need a lot if clout and some history. Cheers.....����
Well LaF has a fundamentally different demand profile than the P1. Not sure why you would use that as the proof to why the P1 has a stringent qualification process?? Complete non-sequitur.
 

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I am on the fence regarding buying a P1.

On one hand it is an incredible feat of engineering. On the other hand, there are still slots available ("I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me").

On one hand the things it does when you put it race mode is really cool. On the other hand, I could just buy a race car and the extra $1M would pay for a lot of racing.

What to do???

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I would be very careful with the assumption that slots are still available, might be technically correct. However I believe the situation is more that some slots just have not been allocated yet.
 

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Well LaF has a fundamentally different demand profile than the P1. Not sure why you would use that as the proof to why the P1 has a stringent qualification process?? Complete non-sequitur.
I don't understand Goplay why you think that there's a difference in the demand profile. Do you know something that I don't, as for the qualifications they are very similar. Maybe things are different down there in the US of A, if so your lucky. Please prove me wrong and order one of each and let me how that all goes down for you. Cheers.....??
 

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I would be very careful with the assumption that slots are still available. I believe it is more along the line that some slots have not been allocated yet.
Well if that's the case the decision is made for me! That's a relief! :D

Although that might be a surprise to those wanting to sell me one,
 

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I don't understand Goplay why you think that there's a difference in the demand profile. Do you know something that I don't, as for the qualifications they are very similar. Maybe things are different down there in the US of A, if so your lucky. Please prove me wrong and order one of each and let me how that all goes down for you. Cheers.....??
What the heck does the LaF have to do with this discussion?

The demand profile for LaF is far higher than the P1 owing to a much longer history and a well developed customer base. If you're to believe Ferrari's statements, the demand for the LaF is at least 2:1 to the supply. I quite doubt that's the case for the P1 otherwise they would build the 500 units.

Comparing the demand of the P1 to the LaF is at best wishful thinking and at worst faulty logic on your part. Then extrapolating how Ferrari is making allocations to Mac's process for selling the P1 is baffling.

I am not passing judgement on P1 vs LaF. The demand is just different. One company is establishing itself while the other is at the height of its ability to sell cars that any car maker would be envious of.
 

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To me the P1 is an upgraded Mp4 and not an F1 replacement.
 

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McLaren had major problems selling all the F1s back in the 90s. A few sat around unsold for a couple of years. More F1s would have been produced if there had been more orders.

P1 has generated far more orders in a shorter period than the F1.
Back in the 90s the economy wasn't that great and the asking price of the F1 was already astronomical relatively speaking.

Had they produced more F1s back then the value will not be as much as what they are going for right now, circumstances works out in the F1's favor.

375 is not a big production, those Ferraris has a higher production numbers, but 375 is still almost 4x more than the F1 production.

I know you did ordered one, I wish you well on the future value of the car, and even at present no doubt it will be a fantastic drive that you will enjoy.
 

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Whoopsy it comes down to one simple thing, either you have the money or you don't, please don't take offense I'm sure your well off but. Rationality has nothing to do with it, these cars are meant for the silly silly rich. If I was silly silly rich, which I'm not, I wouldn't hesitate one bit to put money down on one or even two of these babies. Cheers....??

Actually rationality has a lot to do with it, it's what gets me to this point in life. I have seen many many silly rich just waste away their money until they are broke. It's also that same thing holding back Warren Buffet or Bill Gates from buying every single new 'toy'.

Not sure about your age, but when I grew up there was 2 posters on my wall, a F1 and a 959. 2 cars that is still the most elusive cars ever, can't even buy one even if you have the money. I settled on the modern day equivalent of the 959, a 997 Turbo then a 997 Turbo S and the F1's nephew, the MP4-12C.

I am such a big fan of the F1 that when I measure up the P1 to the F1, my conclusion is that the P1 is more like a MP4 on steroid, lots and lots of steroid, not a true F1 successor. While I really like the P1, I have decided it's not a car for me and I'd rather wait for a F1 to come up for sale again. I have waited 20 years, what's another 20? I got time. Call me old faithful to the F1, like Peleton25, haha.
 

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The only rational reason that I can think of for buying such a car is as an investment. If you think it will appreciated, you can purchase it like you would any other investment... Very risky!! Otherwise, it's just a very expensive toy. There are many more "worthwhile" uses for such a large amount of money.
To a lesser degree, I had to wrestle with the same question when I bought my 12C. At the end of the day, I decided to treat myself with the car. There's no way to "rationally" make that decision. If you can afford it and have the garage space for it, go for it. Otherwise, like you said, wait for an F1.
 

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What the heck does the LaF have to do with this discussion?

The demand profile for LaF is far higher than the P1 owing to a much longer history and a well developed customer base. If you're to believe Ferrari's statements, the demand for the LaF is at least 2:1 to the supply. I quite doubt that's the case for the P1 otherwise they would build the 500 units.

Comparing the demand of the P1 to the LaF is at best wishful thinking and at worst faulty logic on your part. Then extrapolating how Ferrari is making allocations to Mac's process for selling the P1 is baffling.

I am not passing judgement on P1 vs LaF. The demand is just different. One company is establishing itself while the other is at the height of its ability to sell cars that any car maker would be envious of.
I don't know Goplay from the way it sounds, you have past judgement. As for me, I just stating what I've heard up here in Canada eh. These are the things I believe in and once again provided by viable sources. What would the purpose be for lying about this stuff, oh maybe to get the Ferrari believers knickers in a knot. Ferrari and McLaren are not on the same playing field thats a bunch of hog wash. Once again if I had gobs of money, which I don't and Ron and his team would allow me, I would get the Mac P1 before any LaF. Cheers.....??
 
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