Thoughts since the V8 will continue?

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mkraft3003

Discussion Starter · 1 mo ago (Edited)

Let’s get a discussion going on everyone’s speculation on the future and how the 750s will shake out. I think a lot of people assumed this was going to be the last V8 and that the next supercar was going to be a V6 hybrid. This made the 750s the last of its kind and with the alleged short run it was positioned to be a must have car (Assuming you don’t already have a 765lt)

Now that we know the next generation will be a V8 hybrid and there will be a significant increase in HP (and assuming performance) what does that do to the market? There will be those that argue that no way do they want a hybrid as it adds weight, but the counter argument is the weight would be offset by the increased HP.

I think it’s safe to assume that we will see a totally new design for the car. A lot will hinge on how the new car looks, but Mclaren does a good job with their cars. Assuming the performance is better than the 720s and 750s does that market take a big hit? I think the market would stay strong IF the next car was a V6 hybrid but that’s not the case now.

Thoughts And speculation?
(As a disclaimer I go into every car purchase assuming I will lose a ton. I buy to enjoy and life’s too short to worry about resale).

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NeedMoreCoffee

· #21 · 30 d ago (Edited)

Hybrid is the future. No way they release a non-Hybrid version. The R+D is already there (Artura, P2).

My hope is they fill a rare niche in the Hybrid era... RWD V8 with light hybrid and keep the weight down.

Even if they take the artura configuration and apply it to the V8 and new chassis it would crush. Think 850 from the V8 (they're already there with the 765) and 100hp from one electric motor, to also fill the rpms and have it rev to 8500 (artura) but keep weight down (I think they can keep it the same or close to Artura, so 3400lbs?).

a 950HP RWD hybrid revving to 8500 and only weighing 3400? That would be very unique say a $700k AWD Revuelto with 1000HP and weighing 4500lbs....especially if they price it in the $400s it would be a "bargain" compared to some competitors.

It could also open the door to something between this car (lets call it 950s) and the P2. Add two motors to the front for AWD and another 100hp and you could have something sitting between the "super" series and "ultimate" at the $600k range (Reveulto/SF90 competitor)

Someone on here will probably tell me why all of this is not feasible but I don't think it's totally unrealistic...

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alexceres

· #22 · 30 d ago

It’s completely feasible. It’s just technology and economy bringing the price of 2014 P1-level performance down to the super series. Not just feasible. Pretty much inevitable. Only question is if McLaren builds it, or Ferrari or Porsche.

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Ingenere

· #23 · 30 d ago

Of course turbo engines can rev to more than 8K. My '87 March/Cosworth Indycar has a Cosworth DFX V8 and revs to 12K.

On another note..... I would rather stick pins in my eyes than buy a hybrid or EV.

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spourreza

· #24 · 29 d ago

i cant wait for the hybrid super series or whatever it will be called... so far, many of the leaks seems to point to the ultimate series replacement and they seem to point to '26 as the year for it to come out but thats not a 750 replacement... when they look to replace the 750, it will be a completely different car, inside and out (that much i was told in a session) but release timing for that car will be very suspect... which i think will dictate how long they will pump out the 750s or a version of it... i cant wait though... this is the car i have been waiting for... i would assume it should push 900 bhp and tech should be top notch, fixing some of the faults with the current breed of hybrids including weight. should be a fun wait

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TougeSpirit

· #25 · 29 d ago (Edited)

gsxrian said:
Not necessarily .... my NA 1000cc motorcycles rev to 14k rpm, my supercharged 1000cc motorcycles also rev to 14k rpm.

Generally, boosted engines have beefier parts to handle the extra pressure, higher rotating mass makes control at high rpm more difficult (I stand corrected, yes, the extra boost makes knock control harder). The limit to your bikes is most likely valvetrain control, on the other hand. I think this is why we won't see a 21000 rpm boosted motor anytime soon. whereas with bikes and F1 we've seen NA motors go that high

invisiblewave

· #26 · 29 d ago

TougeSpirit said:
Generally, boosted engines have beefier parts to handle the extra pressure, higher rotating mass makes control at high rpm more difficult (I stand corrected, yes, the extra boost makes knock control harder). The limit to your bikes is most likely valvetrain control, on the other hand. I think this is why we won't see a 21000 rpm boosted motor anytime soon. whereas with bikes and F1 we've seen NA motors go that high

Remember how excited Steve Machett used to get about F1 engineers supposedly having to consider the speed of sound in their valve train design??? lol

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964Cup

· #27 · 29 d ago

I didn't like the Artura. But I can imagine a v8 hybrid with the new CATL battery tech having decent electric-only range, regen (this is critical for the hybrid thing to make any sense on long trips) and still being relatively light. I've ordered a 750, so I'll be a while waiting before I dive in, but that gives more time for the tech to mature.

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HJG

· #28 · 29 d ago

invisiblewave said:
Remember how excited Steve Machett used to get about F1 engineers supposedly having to consider the speed of sound in their valve train design??? lol

In any engine in fact. It is required to calculate the pulses back and forth from the valve to the plenum and from the valve to the turbo/ collector. Could argue is more important on a N/A engine, since everything is 'natural', and you have to work with the air, rather than force it.

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Whiskey

· #29 · 28 d ago

When my dealer called to test drive the new Artura I declined without hesitation.

He asked why.

i said "If I wanted a V6, Id buy a Acura NSX or Nissan GTR. When I think of an hand build exotic....a V6 never comes to mind.

So speaking for myself only....I will be at the V8 party with a few bottles of Jack to spike the punch bowl.

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FlashGordon

· #30 · 28 d ago

Whiskey said:
So speaking for myself only....I will be at the V8 party with a few bottles of Jack to spike the punch bowl.

They don’t call ya Whiskey for nothin’, Pardner. Get ’er done! 🤠

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mcracing1

· #31 · 27 d ago

spourreza said:
i cant wait for the hybrid super series or whatever it will be called... so far, many of the leaks seems to point to the ultimate series replacement and they seem to point to '26 as the year for it to come out but thats not a 750 replacement... when they look to replace the 750, it will be a completely different car, inside and out (that much i was told in a session) but release timing for that car will be very suspect... which i think will dictate how long they will pump out the 750s or a version of it... i cant wait though... this is the car i have been waiting for... i would assume it should push 900 bhp and tech should be top notch, fixing some of the faults with the current breed of hybrids including weight. should be a fun wait

i am waiting of the Lt version of the new hybrid superserie succesor, that is the one to have…but in the mean time the Sf90 Vs will come inbound.

or in othewords, waiting amd waiting for the latest greatest never gives you the best car in time..

This is in internet thing, an excuse why not pulling the trigger right now.?

the first superserie replacement cars will be an nightmare in terms of reability, historie repeating at Mclaren.. for sure

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alexceres

· #32 · 27 d ago

mcracing1 said:
i am waiting of the Lt version of the new hybrid superserie succesor, that is the one to have…but in the mean time the Sf90 Vs will come inbound.

or in othewords, waiting amd waiting for the latest greatest never gives you the best car in time..

This is in internet thing, an excuse why not pulling the trigger right now.?

you can wait, or you can drive 🤷‍♂️

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unmac

· #33 · 27 d ago

I’m waiting until 2031 for the hybrid Lt . 🤡😂

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mcracing1

· #34 · 27 d ago

unmac said:
I’m waiting until 2031 for the hybrid Lt . 🤡😂

IF it will ever happen… I hope mclaren will survive, but it is gona be a taff one..

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mkraft3003

Discussion Starter · #35 · 27 d ago

unmac said:
I’m waiting until 2031 for the hybrid Lt . 🤡😂

It’s right around the corner. Lol

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Tom A.

· #36 · 27 d ago

The hybrid V8s could be reserved for the ultimate series. Since Ricardo will also be doing V6s, a V6 with a more potent Artura electric motor or even multiple electric motors could power the next generation of the 7-series. If they still use numerical names, how about an 820S? It would be a reasonable bump over the 765LT.

Machiavelli

· #37 · 27 d ago

I'd hate to be the one leading the design of this car.

Topping the 720S will not be easy.

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alexceres

· #38 · 27 d ago

Machiavelli said:
I'd hate to be the one leading the design of this car.

Topping the 720S will not be easy.

seriously. The 765 doesn’t have the same breadth of personality and range. The 720 is quite special.

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spourreza

· #39 · 26 d ago

Tom A. said:
The hybrid V8s could be reserved for the ultimate series. Since Ricardo will also be doing V6s, a V6 with a more potent Artura electric motor or even multiple electric motors could power the next generation of the 7-series. If they still use numerical names, how about an 820S? It would be a reasonable bump over the 765LT.

i can not see a v6 hybrid for 750 replacement... thats wont be good for multiple reasons... heck i still drive a twin turbo v12 and i love it... i dont think they they will move to a v6 hybrid for their flagship model... no way. V6 more reserved for the step down models... the ultimate series is not Mac's bread and butter...

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kovalser

· #40 · 19 d ago

I'm skipping the 750S and really hoping for next gen to be a V8 hybrid. Car needs have significantly more power for every extra you pound of weight from the high voltage system and motors - i.e. 15% power bump for 10% more weight. I'm planning to keep my 720S until then, unless I find a deal on the perfect SF90 or maybe 765LT in the meantime. I sort of daily drive the 720S so not really seeking a hard core, track-oriented car.

M840T is a fantastic engine, as most already know derived from an old Nissan race engine design, and would expect McLaren to modify it (for more power/durability/efficiency) rather than starting anew... just like the M838 > M840 > M8xx. Hard to believe given their financial situation they'd actually devote the resources into R&D of a brand new V8 engine, and as a consumer I'd be wary of buying the new car with it until the engine is proven solid over time.

If they go with a V6 in the 720S replacement, my future auto business will certainly go to Ferrari or Lamborghini.

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