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This was just posted on F-Chat and I am curious to see people's opinions on this board.

I can surmise what they will be but are still curious......


First, I have owned or currently own almost every modern day exotic sports car worth having, so for this review we will be comparing one individual’s opinion of the Ferrari 458 vs the McLaren MP4-12, with a few “added bonuses” sprinkled in.

This comparison is based on real world driving with a real world driver under real world conditions.

Lets Start!

Aesthetics:

The Ferrari is simply a piece of Italian Art. Both the exterior and interior are nearly flawless when it comes to Italian design, curves and sexiness.

The McLaren is more “machine like” in looks and I view it as less art and more of a mechanical harmony of design, with the one exception being the “doors” which are simply spectacular.

Verdict: Edge To Ferrari

Engine:

The Ferraris naturally aspirated engine is simply marvelous. Each revolution all the way up to 9,000 is a mechanical marvel, with power at every point and stage of acceleration. There is surely something to be said of a naturally aspirated engine that can produce this much horsepower and torque without any assistance.

The McLaren’s engine feels like it has a lot more to give that what it is presently generating. I believe with the upcoming upgrade we will see some of that, but feel that it potentially may be good for around 700 HP when everything is all said and done. With that being said, when the Turbos kick in, the car become “special”. How special? Well it’s the closest thing to a Ferrari F40 that I have felt to date and with some tweaking and if I am right about its full potential, it may eventually become the first car I have driven that can match the shock and awe of the power of the Ferrari F40.

Verdict: Edge To Ferrari (For Now)

Transmission:

Right now I feel the Ferrari 458 simply has the best transmission in the world for 2012 based vehicles. It’s as close to perfect as anything I have ever driven. The gear changes are instantaneous and smoother than silk. In Race Mode it drives like a beast will in “normal” mode you hardly ever feel it shifting.

The McLaren’s transmission is very good, but when you are comparing anything to what is no less than the best in the world, it’s going to be difficult to compete. The gear changes don’t seem to be as smooth nor as fast.

Verdict: An Easy Victory For The Ferrari

Curb Appeal:

Right away everyone seems to know that the 458 is a Ferrari, so right away the cameras pop out and the photographs start almost immediately. Same goes for the valets or any other on looker.

Now the McLaren is kind of special when it comes to this, because not everyone actually knows “what it is”. The curiosity factor is definitely higher and more people tend to stare and enjoy watching the vehicle. This can especially be said once the doors open. Pull up to a restaurant or valet and open the doors and everyone’s mouth starts to drop. It becomes a surreal moment.

Verdict: McLaren

Drivability:

The Ferrari is surprisingly easy to drive and quite comfortable with the Sport Racing Seats. With the ability to set the shocks on comfort setting, the vehicle drives as close as a luxury sedan as any other exotic to date, except maybe for………

The McLaren! The drivability is insane for a car of this magnitude. Place all the settings in comfort mode and you would think you were driving a Lexus. Sometimes you can barely hear the car and think you are simply driving a run of the mill $85,000 luxury vehicle.

Verdict: McLaren


Sound:

The Ferrari is simply an orchestra of orgasmic Italian notes and burbles. I have never driven anything that even compares to how well Ferrari has generated the sound that vibrates through this vehicle at 9,000 RPMS. This is really the “Nessun Dorma” of acoustic ecstasy for a super car!

The McLaren has done a fine job generating an F1 type acoustic panorama of sound, which exasperates once the turbos are on full bore. Ultimately a fantastic sounding vehicle (I have the Sport Exhaust) but again, when compared to “the best in the world” it becomes rather difficult to overcome.

Verdict: Ferrari


Coolness:

Lets face it, if these cars weren’t “cool”, then no one would buy them. For the Ferrari, its steering wheel is again “the best in the world”. The Mannetino, Shocks, Windshield Wipers, Radio/TFT Control etc. are an engineering marvel. Also the Ferrari badge, logo and prancing horse are pretty cool as well.

For the McLaren it all goes back to the doors, which probably deserves “the best in the world” moniker as well. Inside the center console with its large display and unique layout for its command center and air conditioning units are very cool. Also believe it or not, the Carbon Fiber Engine bay is really cool, especially when you are driving and glance in the rear view mirror and see the engine roaring all draped in carbon fiber and with a small air duct between the glass that covers it and the rear bonnet area.

Verdict: Leaning Toward The Ferrari, But Will Delegate A “Tie” For This One.

Value:

Ultimately neither of these cars are a good value in the big scheme of things but for people with our sickness, I will still analyze this one.

Certainly the Ferrari is not cheap and with a few boxes checked off the price can balloon to over $300,000 pretty quickly. So what is one to do? Don’t check the boxes and you miss out on half the car’s glory.

The McLaren on the other hand is fairly reasonable and its options are more “Porsche” like than “Ferrari” like when it comes to prices. Its base price feels very low for what you are getting and if optioned correctly, the final price is a tremendous value for the money.

Verdict: McLaren


Intangibles:

This one is a bit tricky because you really can’t define it. In every day driving I personally feel the Ferrari is faster albeit only when the McLaren’s Turbos are not running full bore. Mystique? Well certainly that has to go to Ferrari. Rarity? I would have to say the McLaren since it is so new and hasn’t been seen on the roads as much as the Ferrari. Man what else…….Well growing up as a kid and always dreaming about a Ferrari has to count for something, right? But then again, those pop up doors on the McLaren, its carbon fiber engine bay and the feel of your neck jerking back when the turbos kick in is certainly something special.

Verdict: Ferrari (At Least For Now)


Overall:

If I had to choose between the two of them and could only pick one? Wow that’s a tough one. I love some many things about each vehicle; I think I would choose to get a 2nd job so that I can keep both. I know that sounds crazy but the McLaren is just that good and the Ferrari…..well maybe overall it is just “The Best In The World!”.
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Had the 458 for 15 months and the 12C for 7 months. Overall, the 12C is a better car. The only thing i miss is the beautiful sound of the 458.
 

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I have to disagree on the sound... I like the sound of a Ferrari a little, but would NEVER take it for a ride. That annoying girly scream would piss me off within 5 miles.
 

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I have had enough drama for one night.

Big mistake trying to provide some insight to members.

Trust me I learned my lesson and will never post anything again on a public forum.

My bad...
 

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I have had enough drama for one night.

Big mistake trying to provide some insight to members.

Trust me I learned my lesson and will never post anything again on a public forum.

My bad...
Just don't talk down to the Mac! :)
 

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Lolwhat? Someone just chucked the baby out with the bathwater over what appears to be other peoples opinions......
 

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Sld7- did you write the review, yourself?
Lol,

Seriously Sid, don't be discouraged by the remarks, British and Canadian humour takes some getting used to but everyone means well in the end.

I own a 2012 458, great car but I grew up in a generation where McLaren weren't building super cars, just the mighty F1, so as an aspiring young guy Ferrari for me was very impressionable. I'm sorry but as a kid if all you desired was a Ferrari you don't just but a Mac, Porsche or Lambo, you chase your dream.

Today's generation will enjoy the Mac super cars and hyper cars such as the P1, and we are all the more richer for choice.

I drove a demo 12C and came away very impressed, but for me the Ferrari is all about emotion and how you feel when you drive one. The 12C is stronger on performance compared to the 458 but I will never drive a 12C at its limits or the 458 unless i want to spend time behind bars so who cars if the 12c is 3 tenths quicker, there are so many f****** speed cameras around my area I'm running out of excuses!!

Vasilating between Fchat and MacLife I quickly realise that doesn't matter what Ferrari build you will always have those die hard Macca fans enjoying their 12C's and rightly so, the car is that good.Every 458 owner should drive a 12C, simple, no discussion.

They are different animals, but as I keep saying you have a choice, so whatever tugs the heart string the most go for it and enjoy it as we all live in tought times so havng an exotic to drive at your whim is something few people experience in life.

There are some very good folks active on this forum willing to help and impart knowledge, I wouldn't throw the towel in just yet.

all the best
 

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Lol,

Seriously Sid, don't be discouraged by the remarks, British and Canadian humour takes some getting used to but everyone means well in the end.

I own a 2012 458, great car but I grew up in a generation where McLaren weren't building super cars, just the mighty F1, so as an aspiring young guy Ferrari for me was very impressionable. I'm sorry but as a kid if all you desired was a Ferrari you don't just but a Mac, Porsche or Lambo, you chase your dream.

Today's generation will enjoy the Mac super cars and hyper cars such as the P1, and we are all the more richer for choice.

I drove a demo 12C and came away very impressed, but for me the Ferrari is all about emotion and how you feel when you drive one. The 12C is stronger on performance compared to the 458 but I will never drive a 12C at its limits or the 458 unless i want to spend time behind bars so who cars if the 12c is 3 tenths quicker, there are so many f****** speed cameras around my area I'm running out of excuses!!

Vasilating between Fchat and MacLife I quickly realise that doesn't matter what Ferrari build you will always have those die hard Macca fans enjoying their 12C's and rightly so, the car is that good.Every 458 owner should drive a 12C, simple, no discussion.

They are different animals, but as I keep saying you have a choice, so whatever tugs the heart string the most go for it and enjoy it as we all live in tought times so havng an exotic to drive at your whim is something few people experience in life.

There are some very good folks active on this forum willing to help and impart knowledge, I wouldn't throw the towel in just yet.

all the best
Italia, my question wasn't a joke and meant no ill intent. I see the original post on ferrarichat and it was by a user that appears to be banned for using a second username, the original apparently being Sld7. So, just wanted to clarify so as to be able to provide any comments in proper context.
 

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Italia, my question wasn't a joke and meant no ill intent. I see the original post on ferrarichat and it was by a user that appears to be banned for using a second username, the original apparently being Sld7. So, just wanted to clarify so as to be able to provide any comments in proper context.
Fair enough 6th, wasn't aware of the background.
Have to say I never came across that post on Fchat.

Got one eye on Suzuka and one on mcLife:)
 

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i found the post fair as it came from a ferrari forum,so reverse it and he outcome would be weighted slighty different,both great cars,but for me it comes down to the companies that makes the difference.
 

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I really liked this. Very insightful and thoughtful review. I drove both cars and ended up letting the 458 opportunity go (my wife has a "one supercar" policy and she controls 100% of the sex in my life, so...).

I thought 458 was beautiful, but I live at 6,000 ft. altitude and any NA car gets its doors blown off by a turbo up here. The difference is dramatic. At 6,000 ft. the 458 will produce closer to 450 HP (versus 562 at sea level) and at 10,000 feet, where I drive pretty frequently, it puts out only 380 HP. Yikes!

That said, the best statement of all was the conclusion where the OP said he'd get a second job before letting either car go. That is a man with his priorities worked out!
 

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I have read this post in F chat. It pointless to get into a debate on aesthetics as beauty is in the eye of the beholder. On criteria like curb appeal, i don't have even consider this as i don't care what people think of what i drive. I like the cabin of the 12C, feel very comfortable in in and it has great visibility. The acceleration of the 12C is awesome. The handling and ride is also better than the 458. i do prefer the 12C over the 458 but i must admit its a close call. For most who have never owned a ferrari, going straight to a 12C is less likely as the Ferrari is the incumbent. Almost all 12C owners in Singapore have or currently own a bunch of Ferraris and everyone i have spoken to is happy with their 12C. I usually keep my car for less than 2 years and probably within the next couple of months, i have to asked myself what the next car to own?:)
 

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It's not exactly the "ultimate 458 vs 12C review", it's simply one owner's personal opinion condensed into about a dozen paragraphs. I'm sure most of us could write similar, would agree with some of it and disagree with other parts. We'd all end up with different verdicts.

Definitely not a thread we should all be falling out over!
 

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Fair enough 6th, wasn't aware of the background.
Have to say I never came across that post on Fchat.

Got one eye on Suzuka and one on mcLife:)
No prob, Italia. I was watching Suzuka, too. Eventful!!

I agree the author's review is well balanced and I would score the categories slightly differently, obviously.

The one category missing, that many McLaren customers may find relevant, is that of technological content. I feel the 458 represents the past, whereas the McLaren is already where the segment is heading. As a single statement to prove the point, which is more likely - that the 458 replacement will be carbon chassis and turbocharged, or that the 12C successor will be metal frame and normally aspirated. This may not affect the brilliance of the 458 in the view of many, as indeed it is an excellent car. But, it should be acknowledged that McLaren has, overnight, displaced Ferrari as the technological leader in the market. Many 12C customers, myself included, will simply not be interested in going back to a metal frame car. Ferrari will likely have to respond to that.
 

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I really enjoyed reading the review and someone elses thoughts on the subject.
I'm sure like many the final choice of cars came down to these two.. and I scored them exactly the same as the OP.
However I purchased the Mclaren as I did want a drivers car and felt the Mclaren just won the touring and GT stakes.. luggage room and the quieter cruising sound were my final deciders..
However a tough call...
 

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i won't be surprise if the Gallardo's replacement will have a CF tub and that would pile on more pressure on Ferrari. However, there are many Ferrari fans who don't care if the 458 replacement comes with a CF tub.
 

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No mention of driving position, visibility, accuracy of car placement on the road. All of which affects the most important quality, A to B speed on real roads. And how long can you keep that speed up for?

Isn't everything else a little bit, superficial?
 
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