[sandesh]

hello everyone,

i have a doubt which has been bothering me for some time now. When Chriss Harris , a well known automotive journalist, tested the MP4-12C he gave a certain explanation about the three moders which alter the power-train. My doubt is this, he said the car felt like a "normal" ferrari F430 in sport and like a 458 italia in track mode. Is there an actual difference in the power output between the three modes..? Like in the Noble M600 ? Or does the MP4-12C always produce the now claimed 600 plus horse power..??

Thank you,

Sandesh.

 

[Jerry]

Power output remains the same but throttle/gear shift response and level of noise transmitted into the cabin change depending on setting

 

[andy c]

As Jerry says ,except in a few weeks there will be 25 hp more and you will be able to ajust the in cabin noise to suit!

 

[robbie]

Andy in a FEW WEEKS is that a joke ? now its the END of Oct more bull shit from McLaren ! ! !
But to be fair they never said what YEAR ! ! !

 

[andy c]

Andy in a FEW WEEKS is that a joke ? now its the END of Oct more bull shit from McLaren ! ! !
But to be fair they never said what YEAR ! ! ![/QUOTE

I live in hope Robbie!!

 

[robbie]

Andy in a FEW WEEKS is that a joke ? now its the END of Oct more bull shit from McLaren ! ! !
But to be fair they never said what YEAR ! ! ![/QUOTE

I live in hope Robbie!!

Thats fine Andy but we got to die one day
WILL IT GET HERE BEFOR THAT DAY ! !

 

[Maxendeddy]

I am with Robbie, this car is too much trouble, and life is too short. My dealership is even too crap to do anything to whatever. Dealership is somewhere in the back of a shitty BMW dealership.
I have car with VIN #150 or there abouts, had it since november '11, put 8000km on the odometer but didn't hear anything about upgrades or whatever. Car only was in once because they were afraid of it catching fire, that was in februari, I think. Tyres were put on badly, gearbox leaked oil, deflectors were broken. These things I detected myself and were reluctantly fixed. Still the doors don't close, paint is crap, IRIS still a guess, I would have rather paid for it and got it, I am a fool for agreeing to the discount and the "indefinite" wait. Still people at Mclaren trying to persuade me to buy a P1. So I presume they really think I am one of those who are being born one a minute. I put the car in the garage, see what happens, enjoy it as much as possible but I don't think I will be buying anything Mclaren ever again.
No hard feelings.

 

[ergoproxy]

Sorry to hear, Maxendeddy. If they want to sell you a P1 then it means you have arms long enough to reach for a Pagani, F70, etc. Must be nice! Enjoy in health.
I have owned Porsches that were lemons. I was then surprised, now wiser and more cynical. Such is life with low volume ultralux items that skate civilian engineering margins.

 

[Noe]

Joining in here .... I think being offered the P1 doesn't mean much .... I was offered if I want to join the list, there are 5 orders (?) here already .... They know I am clearing out my car burden ( not to get more cars but so I can have an easier life!)

I'm waiting for my spider, due April or may, as the Volcano Yellow was delayed (supposedly) so reading maxendeddy's post, albeit in semi gibberish, it doesn't fill me with confidence!!

Though I've had same issues with Lambo, RR and come to think about it, just about every car !

 

[Senna1994]

I was at the Spider preview two days ago, the problem is the Navigation System still. Apparently they have the Bluetooth, HP, and DCT ECU figured, but want to have Nav as well. It is a bit annoying, but they will come through soon.

 

[483hp]

Did you find out who is supplying the system? The current software is Windows CE. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.

I wonder if it is QNX (aka RIM).

 

[Squirrel]

Unbelievable as it sounds, rather than work with an existing supplier such as Garmin, TomTom or Navteq, McLaren have created their own system from scratch.

I asked whether it was just the GUI that was bespoke, with a third party 'engine' embedded within but to my horror and astoundment I was told that the whole system has been coded from scratch...

Now that's a mammoth task, especially when you consider that almost every system you see these days is mature and sophisticated after having been enhanced over many years.

McLaren are for some reason trying to reinvent the wheel!

(This must be because their aspirations are to have complete control of all components of their products - Ron's way)

IMHO It's therefore inevitable that Iris Nav v1 will be more basic than rival systems, and probably more buggy too...

For me the bluetooth integration is more important, but when it comes to McNav we should prepare to be underwhelmed, at least initially!

 

[andy c]

Unbelievable as it sounds, rather than work with an existing supplier such as Garmin, TomTom or Navteq, McLaren have created their own system from scratch.

I asked whether it was just the GUI that was bespoke, with a third party 'engine' embedded within but to my horror and astoundment I was told that the whole system has been coded from scratch...

Now that's a mammoth task, especially when you consider that almost every system you see these days is mature and sophisticated after having been enhanced over many years.

McLaren are for some reason trying to reinvent the wheel!

(This must be because their aspirations are to have complete control of all components of their products - Ron's way)

IMHO It's therefore inevitable that Iris Nav v1 will be more basic than rival systems, and probably more buggy too...

For me the bluetooth integration is more important, but when it comes to McNav we should prepare to be underwhelmed, at least initially!

Well i hope they do a better job than the Volvo effort in my Astons?? looks like the advantage will be a constant work in progress with it being constantly upgradable via bluetooth,that is if bluetooth isnt superceeded then we are all F---------

 

[Squirrel]

The system is supposed to be able to connect to the internet via your home wifi network for upgrades etc...

I suspect the system will have a nice McLaren look, albeit with basic features in the early incarnations...

 

[483hp]

Unbelievable as it sounds, rather than work with an existing supplier such as Garmin, TomTom or Navteq, McLaren have created their own system from scratch.

I asked whether it was just the GUI that was bespoke, with a third party 'engine' embedded within but to my horror and astoundment I was told that the whole system has been coded from scratch...

Now that's a mammoth task, especially when you consider that almost every system you see these days is mature and sophisticated after having been enhanced over many years.

McLaren are for some reason trying to reinvent the wheel!

(This must be because their aspirations are to have complete control of all components of their products - Ron's way)

IMHO It's therefore inevitable that Iris Nav v1 will be more basic than rival systems, and probably more buggy too...

For me the bluetooth integration is more important, but when it comes to McNav we should prepare to be underwhelmed, at least initially!

Well that explains the big delay. And I will be expecting a longer wait. A polished system takes time. Even Apple didn't get it right the first time out of the gate.

 

[997]

The system is supposed to be able to connect to the internet via your home wifi network for upgrades etc...

.

HORROR!! Only a matter of time until someone starts hacking the car :-(

 

[andy c]

HORROR!! Only a matter of time until someone starts hacking the car :-(

Note to ones self,i must secure my internet

 

[Krzys]

Unbelievable as it sounds, rather than work with an existing supplier such as Garmin, TomTom or Navteq, McLaren have created their own system from scratch.

I asked whether it was just the GUI that was bespoke, with a third party 'engine' embedded within but to my horror and astoundment I was told that the whole system has been coded from scratch...

Now that's a mammoth task, especially when you consider that almost every system you see these days is mature and sophisticated after having been enhanced over many years.

McLaren are for some reason trying to reinvent the wheel!

(This must be because their aspirations are to have complete control of all components of their products - Ron's way)

IMHO It's therefore inevitable that Iris Nav v1 will be more basic than rival systems, and probably more buggy too...

For me the bluetooth integration is more important, but when it comes to McNav we should prepare to be underwhelmed, at least initially!

This is simply insane and irresponsible. We are gonna be dealing with crappy system for years. Why not do google maps integration or something? Even with a subscription model?

The very idea of coding their own system from scratch is just laughable. Hard to believe. It shows that their understanding of consumer market is very limited.

 

[Squirrel]

I don't believe that McLaren will put out something 'crappy', hence the delays as the scale of the task in hand has dawned on them, however I will be amazed if their system is initially delivered with any of the really cool features of the latest devices such as satellite overlay, 3D perspective simulation, speed limit display, speed camera warnings, full post code (zip code) address lookup, dynamic traffic updates & automatic congestion avoidance etc...

My bet is it'll be a bit like a Porsche 996 / early 997 system wrapped up in a McLaren corporate skin...

 

[Markjayw]

I understand you guys want everything promised to be working, but seriously, only car I use Nav on is my daily driver. Iphone and free mapquest app. works great on my cars with crappy or no Nav at all. For now, enjoy what the car was designed for, performance driving.