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here the news of the "Super-Test" sport auto (11/2011):

Nordschleife 7:28 (second-best time)

Points 70/70


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Here is the list from Wikipedia. If somebody can post the scans of the article that would be great. Although it's probably in German?!

7:24 Gumpert Apollo Horst von Saurma 2009/11 [9]
7:32 Porsche Carrera GT Horst von Saurma 2004/01 [10]
7:33 Porsche 997 GT2 Horst von Saurma 2007/11, Sport tires [11]
7:33 Pagani Zonda F Horst von Saurma 2006/05 [12]
7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 2006/03 (17 October 2005) [13]
7:34 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma 2010/11 [14]
7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Horst von Saurma 2008/02, Sport tires [15]
7:38 Lexus LFA Horst von Saurma 2010/09, Street tires Bridgestone S001
7:38 Ferrari 458 Italia Horst von Saurma 2010/08, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma 2009/07, Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires
7:38 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Horst von Saurma 2009/10, Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires
7:39 Ferrari F430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma 2008/07, Sport tires [16]
7:39 Porsche 997 Turbo TechArt GTstreet Horst von Saurma 2007/10, Sport tires [17]
7:40 Porsche 997 GT3 (2009) Horst von Saurma 2009/06,[18]
7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
7:46 Porsche 996 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [19]
7:47 Porsche 996 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[20]
7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires[citation needed]
7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (22 June 2007)[21]
7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
7:50 2009 Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008),[22] PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires
7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[23] apparently problems with tires and ABS
7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)
7:54 Porsche 997 Turbo Horst von Saurma (05/2007)[24]
7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)
7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2000)
7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:02 Aston Martin DBS (2007) Horst von Saurma [2]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2005)
8:03 Porsche 996 GT3 (1999) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/1999)
8:04 Audi R8 Sport Auto (07/2007)[25]
8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[26]
8:09 Audi RS4 Sport Auto (06/2006)
8:09 BMW M6 E63 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2005), Sport tires, 259 km/h speed limiter.[citation needed]
8:09 Honda NSX-R Sport Auto (08/2002), Sport tires, suspension modification.[citation needed]
8:10 Chrysler Viper GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1997)
8:10 BMW Alpina B6 S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2008)[27]
8:10.08 Porsche Cayman S Walter Röhrl Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]
8:13 BMW M5 E60 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2004)
8:13 Ferrari 355 GTB Sport Auto (10/1994)
8:13 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (1/2009?)[28]
8:14 BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2008)[29]
8:16 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2009?)[30]
8:17 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2009?)[31]
8:18 Lexus IS-F Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (9/2008)[32]
8:22 BMW M3 E46 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2000)
8:22 BMW M Coupe E36/8 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/1998)
8:24 2004 Subaru Impreza Sport Auto (05/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Lotus Exige S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2008)[33]
8:25 Jaguar XKR Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:25 Porsche Cayman S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:24 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VI Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/1999), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:25 Mitsubishi Charisma GT Evo VII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2002), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:26 Audi S5 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2008)[34]
8:26 BMW 335i E92 Coupe Horst von Saurma Sport Auto
8:26 Nissan 350Z Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2003)
8:28 Porsche 911 Carrera (993) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/1997)
8:29 Audi TTS Coupé Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2008)[35]
8:32 Porsche Boxster S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/1999)
8:38 Honda NSX Sport Auto, (08/1997)
8:39 Honda S2000 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2000)
8:40 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Sport Auto (07/1997), automatic transmission
8:42 Lotus Exige Mk1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2000), Sport tires[citation needed]
8:47 Honda Civic Type-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2001)
8:49 Volkswagen Golf R32 Sport Auto (09/2006)
8:51 Ford Focus ST Sport Auto (09/2005)
8:53 Volkswagen Golf GTI DSG MK5 Sport Auto (11/2005)
8:54 Vauxhall Corsa VXR Sport Auto (04/2008)
9:05 Ford Focus RS Sport Auto (09/2005)
 

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There are 7 "tests" (2 lap times, slalom, escape manoeuvre, acceleration/braking, aerodynamic balance, skidpad if I have good memory), each with a mark from 1 to 10. 70/70 that it scored top on all 7.
Also, are these 7 scores all objective measurements? Or are some of them subjective opinion?

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Also, are these 7 scores all objective measurements? Or are some of them subjective opinion?

Thanks.
All are based on objective measurements. They also have two subjective ratings (usability and feel good factor or something like that).
 

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You know what feels pretty good?

Being fastest.

The noise that comes out the back is seconday.
 

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Rumours vs reality :

NBR lap time

rumour - 7:00
reality (sport auto) - 7:28

0-300km/h

rumour - 24,5s
official - 27,5s
reality - 31,0s

Finally we have a 0-300km/h time. GT2 RS is significantly faster. Aventador is in another league (24,5s by german AMS).
 

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@ emve

the german test situation is:
- Acceleration, full tank of fuel, 2 persons on board !!

Other tests half full tank and only one person on board!!
 

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I was pretty sure that this car would be evaluated in the German press and among the German testers much better than in England!;):cool:
 

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I was pretty sure that this car would be evaluated in the German press and among the German testers much better than in England!;):cool:
Would love to hear what they say, subjectively, about the car... do they think it is the cold, ruthless Darth Vader, like the Brits? Perhaps somebody that speaks German can read the article and summarize?
 

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I ran straight to the kiosk and have quickly taken the magazine:D
Here first results:
70 points from 70 points (more is not possible):D:D:D
Nürburg:
GT2 RS 7,24
Mp4-12C 7,28:D
GT3 RS 4.0 7,30
R8 GT 7,34
Nis. GTR 7,36
458 7,38
LP 570 7,38

sensors are all okay, convinced the MP 4 with absolutely inspiring driveability. the grip that never seems to cut up and the high cornering speeds are hard to beat

Short Hockenheim
GT2 RS 1,08.4
Mp4-12C 1,08.7:D
LP 570 1,09.2
GT3 RS 4.0 1,09.5
R8 GT 1,09.6
ZR1 1,09.7
Nis. GTR 1,10.0

In terms of agility and steering response he makes what no one before

Maximum lateral acceleration

GT3 RS 4.0 1.5 g
MP4 + R8 GT + ZR1 1,4 g
458 + LP570 + SLS AMG 1,35 g

Wet handling with sport tyres!

LP570 1,38.0
Mp4-12 1,38.7
GT2 RS 1,38.7

a short final result:
The results are top (up on a wet handling) it is impossible to get more points. It is pure enthusiasm, which is established in view of this machine and not only spontaneously but also on duration.
But as evidenced by the impressive lap time, and satisfying ride comfort, the Mclaren has not promised too much

Andy

I translate more later, my wife calls to eat:eek:
 

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I ran straight to the kiosk and have quickly taken the magazine:D
Here first results:
70 points from 70 points (more is not possible):D:D:D
Nürburg:
GT2 RS 7,24
Mp4-12C 7,28:D
GT3 RS 4.0 7,30
R8 GT 7,34
Nis. GTR 7,36
458 7,38
LP 570 7,38

sensors are all okay, convinced the MP 4 with absolutely inspiring driveability. the grip that never seems to cut up and the high cornering speeds are hard to beat

Short Hockenheim
GT2 RS 1,08.4
Mp4-12C 1,08.7:D
LP 570 1,09.2
GT3 RS 4.0 1,09.5
R8 GT 1,09.6
ZR1 1,09.7
Nis. GTR 1,10.0

In terms of agility and steering response he makes what no one before

Maximum lateral acceleration

GT3 RS 4.0 1.5 g
MP4 + R8 GT + ZR1 1,4 g
458 + LP570 + SLS AMG 1,35 g

Wet handling with sport tyres!

LP570 1,38.0
Mp4-12 1,38.7
GT2 RS 1,38.7

a short final result:
The results are top (up on a wet handling) it is impossible to get more points. It is pure enthusiasm, which is established in view of this machine and not only spontaneously but also on duration.
But as evidenced by the impressive lap time, and satisfying ride comfort, the Mclaren has not promised too much

Andy

I translate more later, my wife calls to eat:eek:
Thanks Andy,looks like they will sell more in Germany than Italy
 

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Hi, back again:
Mainly, the test tells the story of the whole techniques of the mp4, and everyone had at first thought that Ron had taken his mouth too full. But the tester does anticipate that this is not true. fantastic double-clutch gearbox matching motor.
The sound out of the two open huge exhaust pipes is big and loud.
The re-entry McLarens into previously by Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini super sports cars dominated stock may actually be seen as successful.
The claim to want putting both, driving dynamics and driving comfort (good for the Champions Leage cars), may be regarded as truly fulfilled! how well he masters the critical moment, the transition from hard braking into the acceleration phase at the same time, deserves absolute respect!
only one point of improvement:
One sensor was defect:
A sensor of the hydraulic landing gear(?) (Fahrwerk) was broken, the super-fast lap times on NBR was not possible, first had to be replaced. A display in the cockpit would be better to show if all the sensors are still working. Without knowing of this failure, very very fast driving is not so well. (uneasy driving feeling)

Andy
 

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I translate more later, my wife calls to eat:eek:


A table !!!!!!!:D




THE benchmark, i am satisfied

every time i go in Germany i buy that magazine, pay attention that the driver is more capable with a porsche in his hand, it's not about german product preference, it's a fact

the result is very very good (vs for example, GTR011 or 458 for eg)
 
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