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Love the quote "McLaren MP4-12C represents the biggest leap forward in supercar technology in a generation." Much like the NSX when it came out it put Ferrari on its heels because of its advanced suspension, chassis, and reliability etc.
Reliability has not been proven yet, be careful.
 

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Love the quote "McLaren MP4-12C represents the biggest leap forward in supercar technology in a generation." Much like the NSX when it came out it put Ferrari on its heels because of its advanced suspension, chassis, and reliability etc.
Cool, innit? And this is only the beginning. Exciting times ahead.
 

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'.....The 600 hp twin-turbo V-8 engine is a highly modified evolution of a V-8 that Nissan developed.....' - say it isn't so! Nissan engine!
 

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Ok, so I know McLaren don't design F1 engines, they didn't design the engines in any of the SLR's or indeed in the F1 road car. So exactly what did they design for the 12C if it actually based on Nissan deigned engine? I thought everything was a 'blank paper design'.
 

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Ok, so I know McLaren don't design F1 engines, they didn't design the engines in any of the SLR's or indeed in the F1 road car. So exactly what did they design for the 12C if it actually based on Nissan deigned engine? I thought everything was a 'blank paper design'.
Think it was a collaborative process with Ricardo, although McLaren would have stipulated the spec brief (weight, torque, power, response, etc.). Doesn't seem like much was actually carried over from the original race motor, except perhaps bore, v-angle, etc.
 

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yes very little was carried over. However, the key note to see is that nissan engine was pumping out 800 hp back then... in race form... Add 14 years worth of technological improvements and you begin to wonder how much more hp is under that mac v-8tt? ;)
 

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yes very little was carried over. However, the key note to see is that nissan engine was pumping out 800 hp back then... in race form... Add 14 years worth of technological improvements and you begin to wonder how much more hp is under that mac v-8tt? ;)
As much as you are willing to trade for longevity. Underground Racing is licking their chops right now big time.
 

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Think it was a collaborative process with Ricardo, although McLaren would have stipulated the spec brief (weight, torque, power, response, etc.). Doesn't seem like much was actually carried over from the original race motor, except perhaps bore, v-angle, etc.
You'll have to explain further please.
McLaren designs a car from scratch to their own specification, a 'blank paper' design. Then it goes looking or an engine from other car manufacturers that fits the brief rather than actually designing an engine (or having one designed) - presumably approaching a lot of potential engine suppliers/car manufacturers? Why? Cost?
McLaren then I assume negotiates to buy the rights to this engine from Nissan. Hands the purchased design to Ricardo who then adapt it to meet the required spec for the 12C and obviously other later models. Surely they are using more than bore and v angle, otherwise why buy the design - unless I don't understand the significance of the bore size and v angle?
 

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As much as you are willing to trade for longevity. Underground Racing is licking their chops right now big time.
not sure what you mean... do you mean they want to up the boost? If so, great! But you know Mclaren has internally software that already allows the car in stock form to do 700hp... in a 2800lb car that is plenty fast...
 

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You'll have to explain further please.
McLaren designs a car from scratch to their own specification, a 'blank paper' design. Then it goes looking or an engine from other car manufacturers that fits the brief rather than actually designing an engine (or having one designed) - presumably approaching a lot of potential engine suppliers/car manufacturers? Why? Cost?
McLaren then I assume negotiates to buy the rights to this engine from Nissan. Hands the purchased design to Ricardo who then adapt it to meet the required spec for the 12C and obviously other later models. Surely they are using more than bore and v angle, otherwise why buy the design - unless I don't understand the significance of the bore size and v angle?
I don't really know. I'm going off the same publicly available info as everyone else, so your guess is as good as mine. I'll make a note of asking the next time I talk to somebody who would know. Yes, I assume it was a matter of cost as it relates to developing in-house expertise at this stage of the company's plan. I think Whitmarsh was asked if they would now start making their own motors for F1 and the road cars. He was pretty open about saying the business plan and volume did not yet indicate that as a no brainer. Plus the Merc engine in F1 is likely still the best.
 

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NSXPrime.com has an interesting thread titled 'McLaren owned NSX' with a few details on the McLaren - Honda collaboration.

The original poster 'Wowow' has acquired what seems to be a McLaren owned NSX in February of this year:
(This was also highlighted in our McLarenLife.com thread ''2012 NSX Video".)

The OP was trying to communicate with McLaren and see what he could uncover about that specific car (and perhaps, the Honda - McLaren collaboration?). Perhaps he's had some answers since?







 
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