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Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.

By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?

Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.

Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.

My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.

Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.

Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options! :)
 

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Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.

By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?

Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.

Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.

My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.

Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.

Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options! :)
My sentiments exactly!
 

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Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.

By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?

Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.

Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.

My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.

Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.

Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options! :)
Agree. Well said.
 

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Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.

By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?

Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.

Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.

My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.

Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.

Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options! :)
Agree with you 100%
 

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OK,
so I own a Ford GT which has increased in value significantly since I bought it, but that never entered my head when buying. I have also placed a despoit for my MP-4 and can't wait to get my hands on it. Residual value is not important to me - nice to know my FGT is going up, but I bought it because I was addicted to its story and history; same for the MP-4: In my opinion, if you're buying in anticipation of making money, then you are buying for the wrong reason. To me its similar to the many folk who buy exotic cars and then store them away and never drive them - of course this is your priviledge, but in my view it is doing the designers and manufacturers a dis-service; they're meant to be driven! I've noticed that the "low miles" syndrome is very prevalent on the Ferrari forums, less so n the FGT forums. I intend to drive the wheels off my MP-4 when I get it (I'm planning a one-lap of America in it) and I don't care what it does to the car's value.
To end my rambling, I love the MP-4 for what it represents - high-tech, racing heritage, cool looks, rarity, but above all, driveability.

I'm now stepping off my soapbox.
 

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Agree with you 100%
Spot on !! I have to admit it was starting to pls me off, the potential damage being done by these Jeremy Clarkson wanna be 's. The truth of it is unless you sell a new model ferrari,lambo,mac or porsche you are going to blow money, so f$$k it the Mac is for me !
 

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Do you buy a car becuase you love it or because of what someone else thinks about it?

This is a car I wanted from day 1. I dont give a rats a** what mags or anyone else says.

If this makes you think twice and how your cars value will be in 1 year then maybe you should not be spending $300K on a car.

Go buy some artwork to hang on your wall!!!!

You are the same guy that only buys Red/Tan Ferraris beucase of resale value. LOL

I get my own damn color and options that I want. I could care less if that makes my car worth more or less on the used market. I asked my dealer how many people ordered same color as me. He said ZERO. Out of 75 orders you are the only one to get that color.

Did I say oh let me change. HELL NO because that is the color I want.

Same deal with the mags. Oh let me cancel my order becuase it did not win 1st. LOL Just jump on the train that everyone else is on.

I hope more cancel in front of me. Let me be #1. LOL
 

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Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.

By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?

Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.

Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.

My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.

Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.

Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options! :)
I'd like to say thank you. Very enlightening. Although the purchase of a 550K USD worth of machine is always a function of many variables including but not limited to resale or personal tastes as well as feel, you have provided much guidance and caveats. Thank you.
 

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I'd like to say thank you. Very enlightening. Although the purchase of a 550K USD worth of machine is always a function of many variables including but not limited to resale or personal tastes as well as feel, you have provided much guidance and caveats. Thank you.
You are very welcome, my friend! :)
As a side note, I re-read the entire Autocar 12C supplement (from a few months ago) today and I am more convinced than ever that McLaren did not start this venture to be perceived as sub-standard. I believe, in time, we will have answers to all of our current questions. As I mentioned, I have theories myself, but I shall wait until I believe they will be better received.
 

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You are very welcome, my friend! :)
As a side note, I re-read the entire Autocar 12C supplement (from a few months ago) today and I am more convinced than ever that McLaren did not start this venture to be perceived as sub-standard. I believe, in time, we will have answers to all of our current questions. As I mentioned, I have theories myself, but I shall wait until I believe they will be better received.
It takes time for a new supercar of this level to be accepted. The car has character. So is a 911 GT3. Engine in the wrong place, but it is a feature!

You are always so enlightening and supportive. I learn much from you. I feel much at home. I sit tight for the demo. I have only been an armchair customer so far as the tour in Asia had me with the car for 5 min. Let the car speaks for itself. Kudos and thanks to you. You have all the best points.
 

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I am sorry, but the whole premise of this thread is laughable to me. Are you guys trying to become another Tifosi gang, just with different colors? You will not mind being taken for a ride as long as the sainted Bruce McLaren stands somewhere in the background? It's the customers who have to prove themselves worthy of McLaren? Seriously. McLaren has talked big and has not delivered yet. Did you guys notice that pretty much none of the straight-line performance claims were matched in independent tests? And you are not bothered by that, since it is McLaren?
 

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I am sorry, but the whole premise of this thread is laughable to me. Are you guys trying to become another Tifosi gang, just with different colors? You will not mind being taken for a ride as long as the sainted Bruce McLaren stands somewhere in the background? It's the customers who have to prove themselves worthy of McLaren? Seriously. McLaren has talked big and has not delivered yet. Did you guys notice that pretty much none of the straight-line performance claims were matched in independent tests? And you are not bothered by that, since it is McLaren?
The best so for is 2.9 to 60 and 6secs to 100,with a car that has heavy electic seats,what were you expecting Krzys,get to the states with rollout and it might dip below 6 secs?
 
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