My sentiments exactly!Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
Some of us may not be McLaren customers!
Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
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Agree. Well said.Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
Agree with you 100%Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
I'd like to say thank you. Very enlightening. Although the purchase of a 550K USD worth of machine is always a function of many variables including but not limited to resale or personal tastes as well as feel, you have provided much guidance and caveats. Thank you.Sorry to put this so harshly, gents, but I think some of us need to detach from the current events and re-evaluate whether or not we are truly McLaren customer material.
By this, I mean, are you prepared to stay on the roller coaster ride of being an early adopter - a customer of something new and exciting? Despite how it feels to some of you, at the moment, the story of the 12C and McLaren does not end with its lap time on Top Gear. No, the story will go on for years, literally, into markets far beyond the UK and most significantly, into matters that do not even concern the press. There will be ups and downs at every juncture. There will be recalls - albeit hopefully no engines catching on fire - and obstacles to overcome. Are you going to lose sleep every time a tail light bulb malfunctions or somebody has something harsh to say about the car?
Also, consider this. No matter how good the 12C is, most of your friends and the majority of the billions of people in the entire world will never accept that it is as good, or better, than a Ferrari. Never ever. Why? Because for them, Ferrari has been the dream since they were born. If they ever reach their goals in life, they will yearn for the Ferrari. It has always been this way. Lamborghini knows it, Aston knows it. Even Porsche knows it, but have you seen Porsche's annual sales lately? McLaren will not live and die by the press, but rather by the impression that the company forges with its customers.
Look at it this way. Ferrari is the IBM of the segment - proven, known by everybody and a more secure investment. McLaren is like a high-tech startup - more advanced product, but much less known and more risky. Also, Ferrari has the resources and determination to do whatever it takes to ensure that its customers and the public perceive their cars as the best. Even if you don't believe that they provide ringers for comparison tests, you must understand that they are experienced at this, for decades, and will do everything in their power to keep their reputation. You will have learn to live with that, for it will never stop.
My point is that, as a supercar buyer, you may need that security. There is nothing wrong with that, as it simply means the Ferrari world is for you. Indeed, it is especially for you as you are the prototypical Ferrari customer. Which means you may not be a McLaren customer. What will my friends say? What car would Justin Bieber rather show up in? Did Button or Alonso finish higher in last weekend's Grand Prix? If you honestly care about any of these things, you are better off with Ferrari.
Lastly, about residual values. It is the most pointless topic for speculation of all, but I will say this: If you are that concerned, then none of these cars are for you. After all, it's just a car. Some of you guys are acting as if somebody is building a prison for murderers next door to your house. Your 12C will depreciate, who knows how much. So will the Ferrari, again, who knows how much. If you can't stand that idea to the extent that you will have an emotional meltdown, put the money under your mattress.
Again, I apologize for expressing this, but these threads have become overrun with irrational thoughts. Stop watching Tiff and Jason hamming it up for the camera, find a nice place to lie down, close your eyes, breathe deeply and contemplate. Are you ready to be a customer of the dynasty that holds the namesake of legend Bruce McLaren? If so, prepare for an exciting journey. If not, well, there are safer options!
You are very welcome, my friend!
As a side note, I re-read the entire Autocar 12C supplement (from a few months ago) today and I am more convinced than ever that McLaren did not start this venture to be perceived as sub-standard. I believe, in time, we will have answers to all of our current questions. As I mentioned, I have theories myself, but I shall wait until I believe they will be better received.
It takes time for a new supercar of this level to be accepted. The car has character. So is a 911 GT3. Engine in the wrong place, but it is a feature!You are very welcome, my friend!
As a side note, I re-read the entire Autocar 12C supplement (from a few months ago) today and I am more convinced than ever that McLaren did not start this venture to be perceived as sub-standard. I believe, in time, we will have answers to all of our current questions. As I mentioned, I have theories myself, but I shall wait until I believe they will be better received.
You are always so enlightening and supportive. I learn much from you. I feel much at home. I sit tight for the demo. I have only been an armchair customer so far as the tour in Asia had me with the car for 5 min. Let the car speaks for itself. Kudos and thanks to you. You have all the best points.
6th element for President !
i am proud to participate in the birth of a new supercar maker !
i am proud to participate in the birth of a new supercar maker !
Oh no, I am definitely not worthy!6th element for President !
i am proud to participate in the birth of a new supercar maker !
However, I accept your nomination on one condition: That I am allowed to inhale!
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