Singapore qualifying -- Who wants to dump Lewis now?

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GeorgeSSS

Discussion Starter · Sep 22, 2012 (Edited)

OK friends, things need to be stirred up a bit. We're all getting a little too complacent. I refer you all to my closing comment a few days ago in the thread "Perez to MClaren" wherein I said about whether Lewis should be jettisoned:
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We have the best driver duo in the sport IMO and I think professional chemistry has something to do with it. Lewis may get cranky at times, but who doesn't? There may be better individuals out there, but I don't think our combo can be beat. I wouldn't tamper with the pilots and I'd continue to improve the cars. We could still EASILY win this whole thing (driver and team titles).
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Our guys remind me a little of Lauda and Watson back in the day.
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OK's. All youse guys in the 'Hood who's wants to dump Lewis -- -- comes out in the street and makes your case.

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6th element

· #2 · Sep 22, 2012

George, you are playing with fire- you know a thread like this has been the downfall of many a decent forum. OK, at least the impending Sh!7storm is now firmly credited to you, so I'll go first.

Lewis is the most talented driver currently in F1. To me that is undeniable. Even as a rookie, he came into F1 and started dusting Alonso, who was still in his prime, in identical equipment. He's bloody fast, in my opinion the only driver, save perhaps Kimi, that can truly drive the wheels off a car in the style of the all time greats. Look at Perez's resume- he hardly lit up the lower formulae. Lewis won everything since he first stepped into a kart - he's a proven Dominator.

All the "complete driver" stuff is overrated. Everything I've ever read and seen about F1 says, at the end of the day, the team wants the quickest pilot in their car. Witness the moron Maldonado, who will keep his seat because he is quick.

Love him or hate him, Lewis is McLaren's best shot at winning titles and in my opinion they should do everything they can to keep him.

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GeorgeSSS

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 22, 2012

6th: My only complaint with you is that you always make sense.

I cannot add a syllable to what you've penned. Let's see if you've frightened off all the anti-Lewis types. If so, they must keep quiet in perpetuity.

(Ouch. That should bring them out.)

Drifter

· #4 · Sep 22, 2012

6th element said:
George, you are playing with fire- you know a thread like this has been the downfall of many a decent forum. OK, at least the impending Sh!7storm is now firmly credited to you, so I'll go first.

Lewis is the most talented driver currently in F1. To me that is undeniable. Even as a rookie, he came into F1 and started dusting Alonso, who was still in his prime, in identical equipment. He's bloody fast, in my opinion the only driver, save perhaps Kimi, that can truly drive the wheels off a car in the style of the all time greats. Look at Perez's resume- he hardly lit up the lower formulae. Lewis won everything since he first stepped into a kart - he's a proven Dominator.

All the "complete driver" stuff is overrated. Everything I've ever read and seen about F1 says, at the end of the day, the team wants the quickest pilot in their car. Witness the moron Maldonado, who will keep his seat because he is quick.

Love him or hate him, Lewis is McLaren's best shot at winning titles and in my opinion they should do everything they can to keep him.

Great post! even the commentators was saying MCLAREN! SIGN LEWIS, JUST GIVE HIM THE CONTRACT! one things for sure Lewis is definitely one of very 'top ones'

mclarenf1gtr

· #5 · Sep 22, 2012

6th element said:
George, you are playing with fire- you know a thread like this has been the downfall of many a decent forum. OK, at least the impending Sh!7storm is now firmly credited to you, so I'll go first.

Lewis is the most talented driver currently in F1. To me that is undeniable. Even as a rookie, he came into F1 and started dusting Alonso, who was still in his prime, in identical equipment. He's bloody fast, in my opinion the only driver, save perhaps Kimi, that can truly drive the wheels off a car in the style of the all time greats. Look at Perez's resume- he hardly lit up the lower formulae. Lewis won everything since he first stepped into a kart - he's a proven Dominator.

All the "complete driver" stuff is overrated. Everything I've ever read and seen about F1 says, at the end of the day, the team wants the quickest pilot in their car. Witness the moron Maldonado, who will keep his seat because he is quick.

Love him or hate him, Lewis is McLaren's best shot at winning titles and in my opinion they should do everything they can to keep him.

I agree 100% with this. Take today's qualifying for example: he was half a second (!!!) clear of Pastor. I hesitate to say "Senna-like", but it seemed like that today...I know it's only qualifying, and things might be different tomorrow, but I really hope McLaren keeps Lewis. And I hope that Lewis understands that McLaren is better than Mercedes, especially since Merc brought some new upgrades for Singapore and they haven't done that well in qualy.

GeorgeSSS

Discussion Starter · #6 · Sep 22, 2012 (Edited)

Where O' Where is the anti-Lewis contingent? Post against our Lewis love-fest now or forever hold your dissents.

Drifter

· #7 · Sep 22, 2012

GeorgeSSS said:
Where O' Where is the anti-Lewis contingent? Post against our Lewis love-fest now or forever hold your dissents.

try posting this on a Ferrari Forum or something haha

andy c

· #8 · Sep 23, 2012

Its the agents that screw up every sport once they get their fingers into talent,they are only interested in their percentage and dont give a damn for anything else,whatever damage it does

Mikeyb

· #9 · Sep 23, 2012

I think the situation is not that surprising given that Mclaren and Lewis have been together for 13 years... The relationship too familiar perhaps and the management trying to do something that in their heart of hearts know is difficult perhaps impossible in commercial reality and preying on Lewis' sense of loyalty... If they had to get in an equivalent replacement, they would struggle with the tactic of 'come and drive for us for less than you currently do' with vettel say... I agree though, I think the situation is really not helped by the agents dealing in celebrity when the majority of the pit lane are mostly normal folk and engineers...

Gazza

· #10 · Sep 23, 2012

Too bad Lewis's car granade'd.

6th element

· #11 · Sep 23, 2012

Gut wrenching. Lewis really has driven well enough to be leading the WDC this year. Congrats to Seb. Alfonso must be getting nervous with Vettel closing.

GeorgeSSS

Discussion Starter · #12 · Sep 23, 2012 (Edited)

The exploded gear box from 1st place definitely plays to Lewis' bargaining advantage. Lewis gets a 5 position penalty next race when they change it out, so it is a double slap. However, if the incident makes McLaren less inflexible in a tough negotiation, that dead gearbox may help us all in the long run.

Where would Lewis go? Lotus. Him and the Kimster.

Congrats to Jensen who always does the same thing: Puts on his helmet and gets the job done without drama.

Mikeyb

· #13 · Sep 23, 2012

GeorgeSSS said:
The exploded gear box from 1st place definitely plays to Lewis' bargaining advantage. Lewis gets a 5 position penalty next race when they change it out, so it is a double slap. However, if the incident makes McLaren less inflexible in a tough negotiation, that dead gearbox may help us all in the long run.

Where would Lewis go? Lotus. Him and the Kimster.

Congrats to Jensen who always does the same thing: Puts on his helmet and gets the job done without drama.

He doesn't get the penalty George,,, if you don't finish you change the gearbox without penalty.

Gazza

· #14 · Sep 24, 2012

Mikeyb said:
He doesn't get the penalty George,,, if you don't finish you change the gearbox without penalty.

Thats right, and thats why sometimes they tell the driver to abandon the race if things are not 100%. Often seems strange at the time, and begging the question, whats going on?

SSO

· #15 · Sep 24, 2012

GeorgeSSS said:
who's wants to dump Lewis -- -- .

Answer: His gearbox

roundincircles

· #16 · Sep 24, 2012

andy c said:
Its the agents that screw up every sport once they get their fingers into talent,they are only interested in their percentage and dont give a damn for anything else,whatever damage it does

I must fire my agent, I want one who wants a percentage, a big percentage

Mikeyb

· #17 · Sep 24, 2012

Gazza said:
Thats right, and thats why sometimes they tell the driver to abandon the race if things are not 100%. Often seems strange at the time, and begging the question, whats going on?

they still have to prove that the car is broken though... to stop all those finishing outside the points just stopping and saying it's broke and changing that which they can..

GeorgeSSS

Discussion Starter · #18 · Sep 24, 2012 (Edited)

I want to thank Mikeyb and Gazza for straightening me out on the gearbox rule. I went to the F1 website and here is their official summary of it:
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Each driver may use no more than one gearbox for five consecutive events. Every unscheduled gearbox change will require the driver to drop five places on the grid at that meeting. Every subsequent unscheduled gearbox change will require the driver to drop five places on the grid.
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If a driver fails to finish a race due to reasons beyond his or his team's control, he may start the next meeting with a different gearbox without incurring a penalty.
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So Lewis will not drop 5 spots at the next race. Let's hope he doesn't elect to drop McLaren.

Interesting that the second part of the rule isn't tied to gearbox failure. The way it is written, you could clip a barrier and rip off the right front wheel and get a "free pass" for a gearbox change.

On to Suzuka.

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