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Good morning all,
I'm new to the forum.

I've heardt from several voices that McLaren could sell "nude" rolling chassis for personal "rebody". But I don't succeed in finding any official statement. Maybe anyone has any reliable info on this?
 

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Good morning all,
I'm new to the forum.

I've heardt from several voices that McLaren could sell "nude" rolling chassis for personal "rebody". But I don't succeed in finding any official statement. Maybe anyone has any reliable info on this?
Care to tell us who these deluded voices are!!! sorry to be curt, but why would they after spending several 100 million on development??
OK , i understand the lancia stratos was developed on an 430 chassis,but i think they would have had to buy a comple car!!but maybe not as its now usless to ferrari
 

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Well here is my .02¢

Representatives from McLaren Automotive UK who were in Monterey last month absolutely hinted that this was a possibility, and that they had been approached by a number of seriously interested parties already.

They made no statement confirming that it was happening and I didn't hear any mention of who had inquired or under what circumstances they would consider accommodating the requests, but don't be too quick to discount it. :)

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Well here is my .02¢

Representatives from McLaren Automotive UK who were in Monterey last month absolutely hinted that this was a possibility, and that they had been approached by a number of seriously interested parties already.

They made no statement confirming that it was happening and I didn't hear any mention of who had inquired or under what circumstances they would consider accommodating the requests, but don't be too quick to discount it. :)

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My apologises then,but i think it would devalue the brand ive bought into if a substandard car was produced without any heritage,but had the same underpinings,why would i want a car that didnt have the edge anymore
 

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Licens agreement with a major player on the market?? Mercedes - Benz going head 2 head with BMW's nich range i3 i8 etc? Maybe that's why McLaren have talked down about parting with Mercedes-Benz in Formula One? Selling patents is one way of improve a company's balance sheets. If McLaren would sell McLaren chassis to Caterham customers, now that would undervalue the brand overnight!





Well here is my .02¢

Representatives from McLaren Automotive UK who were in Monterey last month absolutely hinted that this was a possibility, and that they had been approached by a number of seriously interested parties already.

They made no statement confirming that it was happening and I didn't hear any mention of who had inquired or under what circumstances they would consider accommodating the requests, but don't be too quick to discount it. :)

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Difficult to understand the leverage in this. Unless they are selling the technology of carbon tubs moulded in one piece?
 

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It must be offered through the Special Ops department for those complaining about the styling and interior. Don't like it? No problem. Make your own. :D
 

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It must be offered through the Special Ops department for those complaining about the styling and interior. Don't like it? No problem. Make your own. :D
I wouldn't expect them to sell these to private individuals.

I am also not certain the chassis would include a VIN.

Draw from those statements what you will. I have no real knowledge of what they are doing yet but those would be my strong suspicions.

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I wouldn't expect them to sell these to private individuals.

I am also not certain the chassis would include a VIN.

Draw from those statements what you will. I have no real knowledge of what they are doing yet but those would be my strong suspicions.

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Hey I agree with you. I was kidding around.
 

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Hey I agree with you. I was kidding around.
Well I was being serious in all that I said, but an interesting thing sometimes occurs when I say something that isn't quite right. My inbox lights up with a message from someone who does know the story (not always the same person, mind you) and the real information comes my way. That's what happened today, from someone who I'd definitely consider a reliable source close enough to the action to know what is going on for sure.

The note stated very much what you have suggested - maybe not because a customer doesn't like what is being offered, but rather they want to push the boundaries of what is possible. A session can be arranged with Frank Stephenson and the customer's input can be used to create something radical using the 12C chassis. Costs mentioned were in the quarter million range and up (well up... :eek:) for such work. You could end up with something totally unique in the end if that's what interests you. Unlikely we will see this in droves, but again it reiterates the fact that with McLaren anything is possible.

I question how that might be feasible for a customer here in the USA where importation laws are fairly strict regarding body design, crash testing and the like, but perhaps a convincing story from McLaren that the vehicle still meets all applicable laws would satisfy the regulators? The real problem here would be if they messed with any of the items that affect emissions as then the EPA would have a fit for sure.

I guess in the end it would be a very similar exercise to what Jim Glickenhaus did with his Enzo by sending it to Pininfarina and having it converted into the P4/5. Many might not be quite that drastic, so another comparison might be what David Heinemeier Hansson had Pagani do when his Zonda HH was created. If this really happens with the 12C it would be pretty surprising - I guess we will wait and see.

In my mind it seemed more likely that McLaren might contract out the chassis to another firm in the same way that Lotus has been partnered with Tesla, or that perhaps someone was interested in a 1-make race series with minimal bodywork - think Lotus 2-Eleven. Neither of those ideas seem to be the case at this point so apologies for leading the discussion astray.

Still I was on to something, and if the idea seriously interests you then contacting your local McLaren retailer would be the best place to start. :cool:

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Guys, I think we're jumping the gun here.

The rolling chassis' are just for display... perhaps some 12C owners have enquired into having one as part of their collections. I dont see why McLaren wouldnt want to make money from sales of them in that form.

I really doubt McLaren would sell a fuctional one, and besides, you would not build a car in that order... ie: putting a body over a finished, running chassis.

You could order all the components as parts and build whatever you like, which surely can be done with any car.
 

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Well I was being serious in all that I said, but an interesting thing sometimes occurs when I say something that isn't quite right. My inbox lights up with a message from someone who does know the story (not always the same person, mind you) and the real information comes my way. That's what happened today, from someone who I'd definitely consider a reliable source close enough to the action to know what is going on for sure.

The note stated very much what you have suggested - maybe not because a customer doesn't like what is being offered, but rather they want to push the boundaries of what is possible. A session can be arranged with Frank Stephenson and the customer's input can be used to create something radical using the 12C chassis. Costs mentioned were in the quarter million range and up (well up... :eek:) for such work. You could end up with something totally unique in the end if that's what interests you. Unlikely we will see this in droves, but again it reiterates the fact that with McLaren anything is possible.

I question how that might be feasible for a customer here in the USA where importation laws are fairly strict regarding body design, crash testing and the like, but perhaps a convincing story from McLaren that the vehicle still meets all applicable laws would satisfy the regulators? The real problem here would be if they messed with any of the items that affect emissions as then the EPA would have a fit for sure.

I guess in the end it would be a very similar exercise to what Jim Glickenhaus did with his Enzo by sending it to Pininfarina and having it converted into the P4/5. Many might not be quite that drastic, so another comparison might be what David Heinemeier Hansson had Pagani do when his Zonda HH was created. If this really happens with the 12C it would be pretty surprising - I guess we will wait and see.

In my mind it seemed more likely that McLaren might contract out the chassis to another firm in the same way that Lotus has been partnered with Tesla, or that perhaps someone was interested in a 1-make race series with minimal bodywork - think Lotus 2-Eleven. Neither of those ideas seem to be the case at this point so apologies for leading the discussion astray.

Still I was on to something, and if the idea seriously interests you then contacting your local McLaren retailer would be the best place to start. :cool:

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Very interesting. Thanks for the scoop. In my opinion, as long as McLaren is involved with the process, I'm all for it as this would ensure that nobody with horrid taste re-bodied the 12C chassis into some atrocity that could affect the brand. Also, selling the bare chassis would allow parties to take on the project without having to ruin a perfectly good existing car (as Glick had to scrap a perfectly good, in fact brand new I believe, Enzo to create his idea).

You will never be able to stop Merdad and others from tacking on ugly panels, etc., but at least this way McLaren can retain some control over more elaborate projects.
 

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Very interesting Peloton25. That changes the game for sure. I am interested in changing a few bits. Not the whole body, but the front bumper and the rear lights. And some changes to the interior finishing. Please PM me when you have more concrete info.
 

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Very interesting Peloton25. That changes the game for sure. I am interested in changing a few bits. Not the whole body, but the front bumper and the rear lights. And some changes to the interior finishing. Please PM me when you have more concrete info.
But are you willing to shell out a quarter mil plus for those minor changes?? Seems that Peloton is suggesting this is intended for a completely new body, a la P4/5 Enzo.

I think somebody should get Stephenson to take the bare chassis and put a modern take of one of Bruce McLaren's CAN AM racecars on it. The MonoCell is perfect for it and it would pay the ultimate homage to the heritage of the brand. Actually, maybe i should keep the idea to myself!
 

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This seems to be the full extension of the mantra; McLaren will never say no to a customer request....only how much. Based on a couple of my minor inquires the how much can get to a really big number quickly.
 

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I met with the McLaren special Ops Group guy during my visit to the Singapore dealership last week. As I understand it, SOG do indeed ultimately intend to offer a 'bespoke' vehicle buillding facility to those cutomers who can afford it. Whether this is a proper business strategy, or just a potential response to cetain well-heeled customers, I'm not sure. I can tell you tho' that SOG is very persuasive - after an hour or so, I'd managed to 'customise' my order with SOG options. I now have a gloss black roof and embossed CF door sills added to my spec.
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