RACER review

hmmm..

6th element said:

A dedicated thread for the RACER review, as it is more explanatory than the others.
http://www.racer.com/comparison-test-mclaren-mp4-12c-vs-ferrari-458/article/206087/

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This is just a copy of autocar review.

I am more for the idea of pulling out to be honest. Be interesting to see what TG says. The car is 1/2 1/2 for me. I still can't find a colour that it wears well. I m left with silver but I don't wanna settle for a colour. I just have a more clear picture now on quantifiable numbers as well as quality driving feel from all magazines. It is starting to make sense. the MP4-12c is a well well engineered car, a marvel but it is very clinical and designed to be driven a certain way. If you like it, you buy it. If you like flair, then buy the 458 which has more feel. Look is subjective. There shouldn't be any definitive answer and which one is better is a personal answer partial only to the person making the decision. No magazine can make the decision. They are both best in class iconic. One is evolutionary and the other revolutionary.

Calitalia said:

I am more for the idea of pulling out to be honest. Be interesting to see what TG says. The car is 1/2 1/2 for me. I still can't find a colour that it wears well. I m left with silver but I don't wanna settle for a colour. I just have a more clear picture now on quantifiable numbers as well as quality driving feel from all magazines. It is starting to make sense. the MP4-12c is a well well engineered car, a marvel but it is very clinical and designed to be driven a certain way. If you like it, you buy it. If you like flair, then buy the 458 which has more feel. Look is subjective. There shouldn't be any definitive answer and which one is better is a personal answer partial only to the person making the decision. No magazine can make the decision. They are both best in class iconic. One is evolutionary and the other revolutionary.

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One thing it will do for the good,is make ferrari treat their customers with a bit of respect,a small thing to some ,but Mclaren (uk) have certainly taught them a lesson there

One thing that comes to mind that hasn’t been said before, is why are Ferrari suddenly given a seven year warranty for free, if their car is so comprehensively better and has a two year waiting list?

zippycar said:

One thing that comes to mind that hasn’t been said before, is why are Ferrari suddenly given a seven year warranty for free, if their car is so comprehensively better and has a two year waiting list?

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AFAIK it's 7yrs servicing package, not warranty. Warranty is 4yrs.

andy c said:

One thing it will do for the good,is make ferrari treat their customers with a bit of respect,a small thing to some ,but Mclaren (uk) have certainly taught them a lesson there

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If anything I'd worry about the opposite, it will make the already prancing horse prances more as it has all the bragging rights to say, Ron, good start but try harder maybe in another 4/5 years you may have a slim chance to get 1 reviewer out of 6 to change. Better luck next time sort of deal is what I worry. Both badges are good but McLaren is feeding Ferrari's already good car brand giving people more reason to buy a 458 over a McLaren.

Calitalia said:

If anything I'd worry about the opposite, it will make the already prancing horse prances more as it has all the bragging rights to say, Ron, good start but try harder maybe in another 4/5 years you may have a slim chance to get 1 reviewer out of 6 to change. Better luck next time sort of deal is what I worry. Both badges are good but McLaren is feeding Ferrari's already good car brand giving people more reason to buy a 458 over a McLaren.

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+1 sales are already very good for the 458. After seeing fifth gear review.......forget about it.........Jason Plato said he absolutely loved the car.......his all time favorite!............he should have been talking about the 12C NOT!

widowmaker911 said:

+1 sales are already very good for the 458. After seeing fifth gear review.......forget about it.........Jason Plato said he absolutely loved the car.......his all time favorite!............he should have been talking about the 12C NOT!

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Yes sir for this sort of money, mine may very soon go to the 458 as well if I get my refund back...

Calitalia said:

Yes sir for this sort of money, mine may very soon go to the 458 as well if I get my refund back...

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DITTO........can't wait to see 458 spider or 'challenge' version NOW.......was gonna attend grand opening of local McLaren dealership to see 12C in person......not that interested anymore and probably will not attend seeing that it's 5hrs away

5 hours away not worth it. For where we live, 5 hours, you will be in Indonesia and 3 hours more in Australia. It's 5 min away and I am a customer already so I will attend. I don't wanna kill it yet. This weekend hadn't been good but I will let it fade in the background and wait for another 5 days or a week. Let's see how the PR team of Mc does. There is bound to be something out after a weekend of an avalanche of coordinated magazine negative reviews. And McLaren had just announced the MP4-12C spider version too... how can they consider spider (surely it's done up) when the coupe is already killed and slaughtered by all press reviews? The car went from running circles around 458 and on a whole different level and league to a car that lacks steering feel and disappoints both tiff and plato. What went on, truly still baffles me. I m totally losing some sleep over this.

Calitalia said:

5 hours away not worth it. For where we live, 5 hours, you will be in Indonesia and 3 hours more in Australia. It's 5 min away and I am a customer already so I will attend. I don't wanna kill it yet. This weekend hadn't been good but I will let it fade in the background and wait for another 5 days or a week. Let's see how the PR team of Mc does. There is bound to be something out after a weekend of an avalanche of coordinated magazine negative reviews. And McLaren had just announced the MP4-12C spider version too... how can they consider spider (surely it's done up) when the coupe is already killed and slaughtered by all press reviews? The car went from running circles around 458 and on a whole different level and league to a car that lacks steering feel and disappoints both tiff and plato. What went on, truly still baffles me. I m totally losing some sleep over this.

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I seriously have my doubts that McLaren will address this controversy publicly.........I think Ron Dennis will be in hunker down mode and let the cars roll out of the parking lot in Woking..........he is in a quandary.......if he addresses this he is admitting something went wrong with his 'AND' car.........if he does not.........defection may set in..........good luck with this one Ron

widowmaker911 said:

I seriously have my doubts that McLaren will address this controversy publicly.........I think Ron Dennis will be in hunker down mode and let the cars roll out of the parking lot in Woking..........he is in a quandary.......if he addresses this he is admitting something went wrong with his 'AND' car.........if he does not.........defection may set in..........good luck with one Ron

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Agree. The exact CATCH-22 situation.

Maybe you are right, it is my own self-fulfilling prophecy. He will address it internally to investors only and not to the public. He will let it slide and hope for sales figure to speak for the company. No one has a crystal ball and it is still up in the air the waiting list and sales numbers.

Maybe nothing and absolutely nothing will be addressed and said and finally, that's it for this most anticipated supercar icon of the century. Enough rival tests, reviews and comparisons have been done and the results speak for themselves.

At the end of the day, the purchase decision is left to you and me.

Ron couldn't care less anymore. He already did throw in his best punch so I have to ask myself the question now. Take it or leave it? Leave it is what I am inclining more and more to do but I have to make it official and write in black and white to get my money back and hopefully I can.

Calitalia.........DITTO..........good luck in getting your deposit back.........hope they don't give you a hard time..........that will certainly spell their DOOM

I've also been considering asking for my deposit back - may be difficult as my car's built and waiting for IRIS.

I've driven the car, and it's fantastic. My concern is resale/residuals in the wider market place if in the public's eye it's a dud.

I imagine if push came to shove McLaren would return deposits, as they were placed on the promise of the car being comprehensively the best in it's sector - something it is clearly not.

Rich said:

I've also been considering asking for my deposit back - may be difficult as my car's built and waiting for IRIS.

I've driven the car, and it's fantastic. My concern is resale/residuals in the wider market place if in the public's eye it's a dud.

I imagine if push came to shove McLaren would return deposits, as they were placed on the promise of the car being comprehensively the best in it's sector - something it is clearly not.

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I think they will play hardball in giving depo back esp if the car is built..........they need CASH reason for HIGH deposit amount ala ferrari.......i passed on the deposit when McLaren contacted me........just in case the car or company did not pan out........they even offered to put me further down the list.......again I passed, told them I wanted to see how it would compare with 458........plus the deposit was HIGH and I have a new 997tt (modded 700hp) to tie me over for awhile.......thank god my left brain won out

Why the worries over the deposit?

Your contract is with the retailer not McLaren, who have quite openly said that it was refundable.

All McLaren retailers are large corporates who would have no financial worries refunding your money (even if there are commercial woes).

If you are referring to your second £15K deposit, then this is a different matter, as you have committed to the car a specified your unique vehicle.

If you are at this stage and are wanting to pull out, then this is another totally different matter and down to contact law and promises made.

Rich said:

I've also been considering asking for my deposit back - may be difficult as my car's built and waiting for IRIS.

I've driven the car, and it's fantastic. My concern is resale/residuals in the wider market place if in the public's eye it's a dud.

I imagine if push came to shove McLaren would return deposits, as they were placed on the promise of the car being comprehensively the best in it's sector - something it is clearly not.

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well Tom Hartley Jnr is offering £50K over list for early car according to the Sunday Times so residuals good in the short term

widowmaker911 said:

Calitalia.........DITTO..........good luck in getting your deposit back.........hope they don't give you a hard time..........that will certainly spell their DOOM

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I signed not an official contract but a purchase intent and it said clearly that deposit is refundable only exceptional circumstances. I really hope they don't gimme a hard time just wondering if I should wait till the showroom opens or test demo...will my feeling change in one month? I don't really know.