[HyperMac954]

Just got a Google alert - anyone hear about this yet?

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...tion-halted-due-to-safety-concerns-39328.html

 

[andy c]

Just got a Google alert - anyone hear about this yet?

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...oduction-due-to-safety-concerns-ar117585.html

Thats just b----ks Hypermac,they are still in production,but what is happening is that they are not delivering any cars until the new mapping is ready, that will solve 99.5% of the electical problems.
This re-map is a couple of weeks away from completion,but because of the problems so far they need another 2 weeks to check it,rather than install it straight away,im sure there is no hardware involved(maybe some extra sensors to pick up the tracker which many owners have found dropping out and getting a movement warning,which usally rights itself when underway,a problem with the carbon tub masking it i think)
So there is no need to stop production.
When you read that article it just shows you that as a journalist its easy to put 2 and 2 together and come up with 10+,when you have no clue and are picking up snippets from other magazines,im surprised calitalia hasnt posted yet

 

[amgpower63]

Spoke to some senior at McLaren. DON'T believe this. It is total rubbish and simply not true. All is good.

 

[HyperMac954]

Cool.

 

[Russell Mills]

Just got a Google alert - anyone hear about this yet?

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...tion-halted-due-to-safety-concerns-39328.html

Yep complete BS, heard it all before anyone can post a scoop without backup, damn journals (not you Hypermac but the website). Now let's say that the cars were catching fire and there were images on you tube etc then that is a lot more probable, just like the 458. I would think after all the developement miles, things like brake cables etc would have been figured it out by now.

 

[6th element]

This article seems more credible. At least they bothered to get a quote from a McLaren official.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111005/CARNEWS/111009944

 

[Boodzz]

not another delay...

 

[amgpower63]

This article seems more credible. At least they bothered to get a quote from a McLaren official.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111005/CARNEWS/111009944

we know this already - that's why all our cars are 3 months behind. media always seem to add 2 and 2 together to get 5

 

[6th element]

we know this already - that's why all our cars are 3 months behind. media always seem to add 2 and 2 together to get 5

Agree 100% regarding the media. I wouldn't even have posted it if it didn't contain quotes from Joseph. However, somebody needs to itemize the various delays for me. This article says 2 weeks, so what else makes up the 3 month delay? Is IRIS still a factor or are all cars shipping without it? Is there an official delay for fit and finish? Is that the same as the electrical delay?

There is too much info floating around. Can somebody who has spoken with Woking please clarify all of this, please? Until there is a clear picture, the media frenzy will continue. Obviously, most of the world would rather see McLaren fail at this venture. Or at least the idea sells more page views.

 

[andy c]

Agree 100% regarding the media. I wouldn't even have posted it if it didn't contain quotes from Joseph. However, somebody needs to itemize the various delays for me. This article says 2 weeks, so what else makes up the 3 month delay? Is IRIS still a factor or are all cars shipping without it? Is there an official delay for fit and finish? Is that the same as the electrical delay?

There is too much info floating around. Can somebody who has spoken with Woking please clarify all of this, please? Until there is a clear picture, the media frenzy will continue. Obviously, most of the world would rather see McLaren fail at this venture. Or at least the idea sells more page views.

They are still in production,the Iris is approx ready in january,all the electrical niggles are being re-mapped in one go and then being tested again,which will be in one month,if they have gone offical with letters to customers saying a 3 month delay,i would think they will try and stick to it!If there are no letters then we know there is a delay but not for how long.But now they know the issues they are working flat out,media speculation isnt helping ,but that is what they are there for,to wind everyone up

 

[falb]

179 cars ordered for north America? Seems like an awefully low number. I had heard 1-2,000 total cars are ordered.

 

[Senna]

179 cars ordered for north America? Seems like an awefully low number. I had heard 1-2,000 total cars are ordered.

Thats what i thought, 179 wont even satisfy California I'm told US cars are in production now, and that dealer demo cars will be out in 2-3 weeks. We will see how reliable my source is

 

[6th element]

They are still in production,the Iris is approx ready in january,all the electrical niggles are being re-mapped in one go and then being tested again,which will be in one month,if they have gone offical with letters to customers saying a 3 month delay,i would think they will try and stick to it!If there are no letters then we know there is a delay but not for how long.But now they know the issues they are working flat out,media speculation isnt helping ,but that is what they are there for,to wind everyone up

Thanks andy I'm having trouble understanding how the 1 month delay for electrical translates into 3 months universally. Are they just giving themselves a 2 month cushion or is there another explanation? Sorry if I'm being daft.

 

[6th element]

Thats what i thought, 179 wont even satisfy California I'm told US cars are in production now, and that dealer demo cars will be out in 2-3 weeks. We will see how reliable my source is

My dealer also told me a couple of weeks ago that they were expecting their demo car(s) by 3rd or 4th week Oct. I would think the 179 number is the sum of North America cars that are currently in the production process? i.e. dealer demos plus first batch of customer cars. Would make sense since I'm in the first batch and I was told my spec was locked down and no changes possible, therefore assuming my car has entered production.

 

[6th element]

From gtspirit.com:

Update: Reports on Pistonheads regarding production delays have been denied by McLaren to GTspirit. Ever since the first release of the McLaren MP4-12C McLaren has worked hard to fix both hardware and software problems and the latter are currently causing a small delay in delivery to customers. McLaren stresses issues that appeared on pre-production and early production models like an issue reported with the engine cover have been resolved.

 

[andy c]

From gtspirit.com:

Update: Reports on Pistonheads regarding production delays have been denied by McLaren to GTspirit. Ever since the first release of the McLaren MP4-12C McLaren has worked hard to fix both hardware and software problems and the latter are currently causing a small delay in delivery to customers. McLaren stresses issues that appeared on pre-production and early production models like an issue reported with the engine cover have been resolved.

I think what they mean is that there are no production delays,only delivery delays,they are still making them ,just not shipping untill the new mapping has been implemented in 3 or 4 weeks,so the immediate customers are 3 to 4 weeks behind,and the ones in a few weeks should be on time,as for the 3 month delay,we have all had that,maybe they will catch up by the early part of next year,this is of course only my opinion

 

[falb]

Thats what i thought, 179 wont even satisfy California I'm told US cars are in production now, and that dealer demo cars will be out in 2-3 weeks. We will see how reliable my source is

My guess is November for dealer demos and they may want to air freight a few.

 

[zippycar]

I think that the 3 month delay is the cumulative delays to date since deliveries started, if that makes sense.

In other words, my expected July 2011 deliver was already months behind by the time that they started shipping the first customer cars and at that date, October 2011 was suggested!

Since then, McLaren have realised that it will take another three months to sort everything out (I hope) which takes me to a build date of the second week of January.

My only worry is that an awful lot of people seem to have this same build slot.

We shall see!

 

[Senna]

My guess is November for dealer demos and they may want to air freight a few.

I know of at least 3 dealers in the US who are getting their demos flown over as soon as they are done in the next couple of weeks

 

[emve]

From pistonheads, two MP4-12C owners having a chat :

Maff

Its unfortunately a bit more than software issues. My car is currently back with McLaren with a tech from the factory looking at the numerous non-software issues, and my business partners car was collected today, along with the software faults that all cars have, his has gone back for all hardware related faults/failures and paint defects.

Whilst the car is superb to drive and be in as a driving experience, the customer satisfaction experience still leaves room for improvement, which to be fair McLaren are working on. However, with the issues our two cars have (numerous stupid software faults aside, two of which keep putting my car in limp mode) have I do sometimes wonder what their test engineers were doing for 5+ years.

Lambo FirstBlood

It's being collected tomorrow. I did try to live with it for another week or two after I posted that I was going to sell it but the problems just got worse and more frequent. On Saturday, at different times, I was told by the computer I had 4 punctures, the airbags weren't working, the air brake wasn't working, the air brake then got stuck, and the car told me that the passenger seat belt was not fastened even though no passenger was in the car.

Provided they get rid of the car quickly and I'm not out of pocket, I am prepared to give Mclaren and the dealer another chance at a later date, but I get a very strong sense from the people I talk to there, that whilst they hope to have some fixes in the next 2-3 weeks, they are a LONG way from fixes for all of this stuff and the fact that production has now stopped highlights just how far away they are.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/...mt=MP4-12C+photos+and+review/comparison&mid=0