P13 - Mini Mac?
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was about to ask the same question, I'm really curious about this car.
Where will it be slotted? How much will it cost? What engine will it use? etc...
Where will it be slotted? How much will it cost? What engine will it use? etc...
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My guess it will be pitched at high end 911 so £120k base plus £15 for paint, wheels and Doris's sister. It will be close to the MP 12 on 0-60 as the MP12 Mk2 will be upgraded to lure re-purchase and match the brother of 458.
The engine will be a V6 out of current V8. Turbocharged and direct injection ( as all MP's will be soon, remember soon is a year or so. )
It will be seen earlier rather than later.......2013 show car, deliveries Dec 2013 earliest..........
Hybrid tech will likely feature as the world gets a green conscience mojo........maybe in a later iteration.
The engine will be a V6 out of current V8. Turbocharged and direct injection ( as all MP's will be soon, remember soon is a year or so. )
It will be seen earlier rather than later.......2013 show car, deliveries Dec 2013 earliest..........
Hybrid tech will likely feature as the world gets a green conscience mojo........maybe in a later iteration.
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Is a later 2014 delivery date more likely? 12C was late 2011 (U.S.), Spider late 2012, P1 late 2013.
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If it is pitched in the £120k+ range then it is going to run right into where early used 12Cs will likely be sitting (within . £10-20k) . That is going to make it a tough sell. I think they need to target just under £100k if they want a high volume success.
YICK, YICK, YICK. Why don't we build something aimed at the Yugo market? How about the Treblent buyers? Why are we going DOWN the food chain? The smartest guys in the world (not including Bernie) are VW and they solve the problem by owning different brands in each identity space (Bugatti, Bentley, Lamborghini, Porsche, Audi, Volkswagen, Seat [these are Spanish Fiats], Skoda). Why dilute the McLaren brand? I do not like it.
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roundincircles,
Are you thinking that, after just two model years, they are going to introduce a 'new' uprated version of the 12C. Isn't that a wee bit soon?
Won't the customers feel 'taken'?
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Timing may be different for Mini Mac but it has to have better than Porsche performance and a decent price point.......OK maybe £100k plus......and direct injection must come in so it will also be included in the MP12 leading to better performance.
roundincircles,
Are you thinking that, after just two model years, they are going to introduce a 'new' uprated version of the 12C. Isn't that a wee bit soon?
All bets are on.
But Mini Mac it has to be fast and make a margin for Ron? So Mp12 moves up the performance ladder?
Remember Ferrari will announce their electric spooled no-lag turbo son of 458 in 2013 so the MP12 and Mclaren have to respond?
I absolutely had not heard about this. Here's an explanation from Wikipedia in case anyone is as far behind the curve on this as me:
Electric assisted turbochargers are turbochargers employing a coaxial electric motor to overcome the time lag of the exhaust gas driven turbine. The electric motor supports the exhaust gas driven turbine at low-end revolutions to compress enough air into engine's intake, while it can be configured as an alternator to extract energy from the exhaust gas driven turbine at high-end revs, which would otherwise need be bypassed via wastegate and eventually replacing the current mechanically driven alternator. Special consideration need be given to the coaxial electric motor operating in proximity of a hot turbine at very high revolutions (up to 100 000 rpm).
Is turbo lag enough of a problem (a problem at all?) in a road car to go to these lengths? Is this where we think McLaren is headed? Seems crazy to me in view of what Porsche has accomplished in their systems. How much of a performance difference in a road car could this really make?
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I absolutely had not heard about this. Here's an explanation from Wikipedia in case anyone is as far behind the curve on this as me:
Electric assisted turbochargers are turbochargers employing a coaxial electric motor to overcome the time lag of the exhaust gas driven turbine. The electric motor supports the exhaust gas driven turbine at low-end revolutions to compress enough air into engine's intake, while it can be configured as an alternator to extract energy from the exhaust gas driven turbine at high-end revs, which would otherwise need be bypassed via wastegate and eventually replacing the current mechanically driven alternator. Special consideration need be given to the coaxial electric motor operating in proximity of a hot turbine at very high revolutions (up to 100 000 rpm).
Is turbo lag enough of a problem (a problem at all?) in a road car to go to these lengths? Is this where we think McLaren is headed? Seems crazy to me in view of what Porsche has accomplished in their systems. How much of a performance difference in a road car could this really make?
GeorgeSSS............I just speculate but Ferrari have already taken a position declaring they will eliminate Turbo lag.
Round: I think your "speculation" is 'prescient. I read Ferrari said turbo lag is "unacceptable" in their road cars and I read something about them going to turbo charging.
Do us both a favor and "speculate" on the next Powerball winning numbers and I'll split it with you. Then each of us can buy a P1 and we won't have to worry about turbo lag.
PS: I'm still digesting (from last year) the concept that Ferrari made the tie rods on the 458 engine aerodynamic to cut down drag on moving parts inside the engine. If they can do that, I don't think electric assisted turbochargers is beyond them. McLaren will have to respond and "out do" them. KERS? The Williams electro-flywheel system that Porsche uses? Scaled down Pratt & Witney power? This reminds me of the U.S. - Russian arms race.
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There is a rumour that Mclaren have developed a Kevlar / Carbon/ Elastomer weave that can store energy and release it on demand. It has to be twisted to store energy!
Jeez. McLaren is going to use high class rubber bands? I wonder if it will store enough energy in one wind for me to drive across the Brooklyn Bridge I bought last week.
If anyone could actually do that, it would be MacDaddy and Mr. D.
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Were you the guy that bought London bridge also ??Jeez. McLaren is going to use high class rubber bands? I wonder if it will store enough energy in one wind for me to drive across the Brooklyn Bridge I bought last week.
If anyone could actually do that, it would be MacDaddy and Mr. D.
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Apparently they are thinking of cocoa tins and string instead of Bluetooth. The benefit of hi-tech elastic bands is silence and zero emissions......I cannot tell a lie.
Ron likes to have innovative tech.
Ron likes to have innovative tech.
I heard daughter of Iris was "barren Karen " so they are going to give you a wide up radio and a Tom Tom better to wind the radio up than punters
That would be my older brother. Out bid me.Were you the guy that bought London bridge also ??
Will it be a 2+2 four-seater like the 911 and Evora?
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