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The main selling point IMO of the 991 competitor will be the fact it shares the same platform as the 12c,this i would suspect will then be the first CF tubbed car in the sportscar sector,so lightweight ,strengh,and safety and several years ahead of the competition.SO handeling will be far superior and power can be suited to the competitors at that time,so its a no brainer it the money is the same.Also with production set at 2500 per annum worldwide,exclusive to boot
 

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The main selling point IMO of the 991 competitor will be the fact it shares the same platform as the 12c,this i would suspect will then be the first CF tubbed car in the sportscar sector,so lightweight ,strengh,and safety and several years ahead of the competition.SO handeling will be far superior and power can be suited to the competitors at that time,so its a no brainer it the money is the same.Also with production set at 2500 per annum worldwide,exclusive to boot
Yes andy for sure it will be a Carbon chassis, long overdue for the segment and will definitely change the market forever. Interestingly, I see BMW being the next to follow suit, perhaps through partnership with Toyota: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/06/toyota-bmw-to-build-sports-car-together-share-tech/1#.T-75zI5AvaQ

Quite a thing it will be when an enthusiast can buy a $100K carbon sports car when most Italian exotics at twice the price are still using outdated steel.
 

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The main selling point IMO of the 991 competitor will be the fact it shares the same platform as the 12c,this i would suspect will then be the first CF tubbed car in the sportscar sector,so lightweight ,strengh,and safety and several years ahead of the competition.SO handeling will be far superior and power can be suited to the competitors at that time,so its a no brainer it the money is the same.Also with production set at 2500 per annum worldwide,exclusive to boot
It would be a shame if it did share the very same platform as this would limit the scope for a smaller package which I feel this car would need. However, I don't really know what Carbotec's process is. Any additional costs making a new mould may well prove uneconomic.
 

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It would be a shame if it did share the very same platform as this would limit the scope for a smaller package which I feel this car would need. However, I don't really know what Carbotec's process is. Any additional costs making a new mould may well prove uneconomic.
If it uses the same CF tub, it will not be dimensionally smaller than 991......hopefully P13 has a NA engine cause 991s with sport exhaust produces some saweeeet music;)
 

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The current 12C engine minus the turbos but keeping the inconel sports exhaust would likely sound fantastic and be good for say 400+ bhp?
 

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The current 12C engine minus the turbos but keeping the inconel sports exhaust would likely sound fantastic and be good for say 400+ bhp?
Probably. But I think their strategy is to develop more turbo motors, not NA. Plus the existing 3.8 was designed to be turbo, so not sure if it works optimally without them.
 

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It would be a shame if it did share the very same platform as this would limit the scope for a smaller package which I feel this car would need. However, I don't really know what Carbotec's process is. Any additional costs making a new mould may well prove uneconomic.
I have to tell you it IS sharing the same platform,economies of scale,the next 7 models are,its whats clothing them that will make the difference!:)
You forget the tub in itself is just dimensionally big enough for two people,its how you cloth it that gives it width and length!!
 

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P13 will be around GT3/RS n TURBO money with each gen better than the last........a lot have tried to unseat Porsche but have failed to take significant market share long term.......gonna be a tough CLIMB for McLaren will see what happens.......GTR couldn't do it long term and maybe phased out, sales have dipped with economic global woes......development of nxt gen GTR put on hold:eek:
 

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P13 will be around GT3/RS n TURBO money with each gen better than the last........a lot have tried to unseat Porsche but have failed to take significant market share long term.......gonna be a tough CLIMB for McLaren will see what happens.......GTR couldn't do it long term and maybe phased out, sales have dipped with economic global woes......development of nxt gen GTR put on hold:eek:
Do you really feel they will have a problem selling 2500 CF tubbed cars with a similar price and performance to a manufacturer of 30,000,and with just as good a record in racing?????????????????????:rolleyes:,Yes you are right ,they are not Nissan!!
 

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Do you really feel they will have a problem selling 2500 CF tubbed cars with a similar price and performance to a manufacturer of 30,000,and with just as good a record in racing?????????????????????:rolleyes:,Yes you are right ,they are not Nissan!!
Only in the know.......know McLaren. will c if they match the porsches in stats n price:rolleyes:.......at first they MIGHT sell that many, long term is SUSPECT;)......911 has been around for almost 50 YEARS!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:........12C GT3 HAS NOT really lit up the podium ;0)
 

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Does anyone have a guess as to when the next car may debut?
No idea really but McLaren said one model a year and we have just had the Spider. If P 12 is on the way, that will be in mid 2013 and P 13 might not be until 2014 :eek:

If it's a start on return on investment that McLaren are after and we all know that P11 must be costing them dear the longer the IRIS delay goes on, the earlier launch of P13 the better to get volumes up and recoup some investment. I believe that Automotive is taking every spare penny in McLaren and selling 2500 units a year of P13 would strengthen the brand around the worlds long as there is sufficient gap between each model. See what has happened to Aston with V8 and V12 Vantage where it has not worked IMO :confused:
 

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Astons don't work because Bez insists on restricting their power. 570hp from 6L V12? Really? Are you even trying, Aston? The V8V chassis is so good/stiff (slightly porky) that it could easily deal with 600+Hp. Such a heartbreak. It shows in the market place.

A brand new car comes out and I'll bet it'll have $35K worth of dealer cash ("trunk money") within 6 months. It's heartbreaking, because they're gorgeous. Unfortunately, I've not met ONE Aston who's appearance wasn't writing checks its motor couldn't cash. V600 LeMans is an exception, however it usually only functions for minutes at a time, so doesn't really count.

...but I'm only using the last 15-or-so models as examples, so what do I know!?

I actually have clients who talk about the new Vanquish and the 12C being similarly priced, and therefore competitors in the market. Good thing my eye-tendons are strong, or my eyeballs would still be pointing at the top of my head.

Aston haven't got a pot to piss in, let alone development money for engines and transmissions (it's why they keep talking about the SportShift gearbox as though it was their CHOICE to remain with a single-clutch (Bez: "They're lighter"). Reality: no $ to design a DCT. IIRC, their engines don't even have VVT. I'm surprised they're not carburated, frankly.
 

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Astons don't work because Bez insists on restricting their power. 570hp from 6L V12? Really? Are you even trying, Aston? The V8V chassis is so good/stiff (slightly porky) that it could easily deal with 600+Hp. Such a heartbreak. It shows in the market place.

A brand new car comes out and I'll bet it'll have $35K worth of dealer cash ("trunk money") within 6 months. It's heartbreaking, because they're gorgeous. Unfortunately, I've not met ONE Aston who's appearance wasn't writing checks its motor couldn't cash. V600 LeMans is an exception, however it usually only functions for minutes at a time, so doesn't really count.

...but I'm only using the last 15-or-so models as examples, so what do I know!?

I actually have clients who talk about the new Vanquish and the 12C being similarly priced, and therefore competitors in the market. Good thing my eye-tendons are strong, or my eyeballs would still be pointing at the top of my head.

Aston haven't got a pot to piss in, let alone development money for engines and transmissions (it's why they keep talking about the SportShift gearbox as though it was their CHOICE to remain with a single-clutch (Bez: "They're lighter"). Reality: no $ to design a DCT. IIRC, their engines don't even have VVT. I'm surprised they're not carburated, frankly.
I think the engines are made in the Ford factory Cologne. This, I would imagine, limits the technology that can be applied.

Perhaps it would be better if they tied themselves to Cosworth in the same way McLaren has with Ricardo? I believe Cosworth were responsible for tuning the 1-77 engine, so why not? The motor sport potential could also be fruitful.
 

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McLaren Automotive ‏@McLarenAuto
Q 3: RT @S2H13 “Will any future projects, like the P13, offer a traditional manual clutch and gearbox transmission?” #AskMcLaren

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Ans 3: “McLaren is committed to performance without compromise, and the compact, lightweight, seamless shift gearbox delivers exactly that.”

So the answer to my question would be "no" then?
 

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McLaren Automotive ‏@McLarenAuto
Q 3: RT @S2H13 “Will any future projects, like the P13, offer a traditional manual clutch and gearbox transmission?” #AskMcLaren

McLaren Automotive ‏@McLarenAuto
Ans 3: “McLaren is committed to performance without compromise, and the compact, lightweight, seamless shift gearbox delivers exactly that.”

So the answer to my question would be "no" then?
I'm afraid so, I'm gonna get probably hated for this, but manual transmissions are kind of old. I don't see anything wrong with dual-clutch.
 
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