[andy c]

just read this on the open forum,and its not like me,but i have mixed feelings over the fact that the button opening is on the 2013 car only.
This is in my opinion not good as it puts our cars in the first batch of problem cars,and will not be good for residual or sales of early cars if customers read up on the touch sensitve door,and why Mclaren abandoned it???
If they have decided it not for them as it might be a future problem,it leaves us holding the baby.
Am i being too sensitive???
i have spoken to the factory about my feelings and suggested that if its a cost issue,it should be made available at a non-profit upgrade to any customers who want it,and obviously at a sensible price!!
Again your thoughts please??

 

[Duncati]

An alternative viewpoint (assuming the touch sensitive door releases don't become any more tempramental later and continue to be serviced/supported) is that, one day, our early cars could possibly become more desirable in the manner of fibreglass 308s etc. - you never know!

I don't find any real problem with the door sensors (particularly as we can now open the doors with the remote in any case), but I do take your point and it would be good to have the option of an 'upgrade', even if it is at a nominal additional cost.

I quite like the idea of the 'stealth' badges on my Titanium car as well, but am not looking forward to finding out the cost of four new wheel centres, bonnet, boot and steering wheel badges if I did decide to change these over.........

No pictures of the new wheel design as far as I can see, as the images released just show the current Leightweight wheel in the diamond polished finish.

Robbie - all of a sudden you are looking more 'forward thinking' than 'bling' !!!

 

[roundincircles]

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Robbie - all of a sudden you are looking more 'forward thinking' than 'bling' !!![/QUOTE]

Oh no. don't encourage him, he will become unbearable! Probably have two white centre stripes next.

 

[roundincircles]

The button issue is a tough call. Bit TVR really.

It will be retrofit-able, I'm sure, at a stupid cost, I'm certain!

I get on with the finger swipe now I know the technique, quite like it. Not at all sure about TVR buttons and their aerodynamic drag

6th won't lke them

 

[Duncati]

Somehow, I was envisaging a flat faced and recessed button in the same location as the current touch sensor to be the most likely solution, in which case it would not be visible or add any aerodynamic drag.

The problem will be that this is likely to be a moulded opening in the door when it is made and would probably be difficult to cut-out later to the same tolerances.

 

[Jerry]

I'm not sure I'd go for a button even if it can be retro-fit. There's just something very cool about the unique and minimalist system we have (even though it is occasionally frustrating).

If folks are worried about a first batch of "problem cars" then they'll be influenced just as much by VIN number or registration date as by the absence (or not) of the button? Hopefully by then the well oiled PR machine we all want to see will be in place and will have banished such concerns anyway?

 

[andy c]

Update,it cannot be reto-fitted as the internals of the door have been re-engineered,it can be by MSO if you want new doors!!
Maybe a slight over reaction by me,as you all say we still have the remote button if we cant be bothered !
And it seems we all like the swipe anyway,so i will go along the lines of a collectors item

 

[roundincircles]

On reflection I like the current arrangement especially as the key overrides the proximity sensor

It maybe cheaper to buy a MY13 car than get MSO involved! Apparently MSO are the fastest growing division in Ron's World, I cannot tell a lie.

 

[robbie]

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Robbie - all of a sudden you are looking more 'forward thinking' than 'bling' !!!

Oh no. don't encourage him, he will become unbearable! Probably have two white centre stripes next.[/QUOTE]

Dear RIC & ALL
For your info i will not be putting stripes on my car the next thing i will be doing is a SECRET between me & Q ( james bond ) all i can say is LOOK OUT ! !

 

[robbie]

just read this on the open forum,and its not like me,but i have mixed feelings over the fact that the button opening is on the 2013 car only.
This is in my opinion not good as it puts our cars in the first batch of problem cars,and will not be good for residual or sales of early cars if customers read up on the touch sensitve door,and why Mclaren abandoned it???
If they have decided it not for them as it might be a future problem,it leaves us holding the baby.
Am i being too sensitive???
i have spoken to the factory about my feelings and suggested that if its a cost issue,it should be made available at a non-profit upgrade to any customers who want it,and obviously at a sensible price!!
Again your thoughts please??

DITTO DITTO My friend

 

[gallardo62]

it's part of the car, i'am very happy to see the coming of a "button" to the new car !

i keep mine as she was born.

For the 2014 model, conventional opening door system then ?

 

[Moncho]

I've never had any problems with opening my doors. It's sad to see them go. I thought the sensors added character to the car, plus they're a great theft deterrent.
It seems Mclaren is responding quite vigorously to it's critics. I hope the don't become too "thin skinned" and ruin the car with too many changes. The car is pretty great the way it is.

 

[roundincircles]

It's interesting how owners are divided on the 'TVR' door buttons.

More I think about it more I like the proximity sensor and it's drama but I have yet to have a passenger successfully open a door and in the rain that's a pain!

So I can see how buttons become more practical and do not have to be 'supervised'.

Regarding the comments on depreciation, caused by no buttons, I can't help thinking the bigger issue is pre-owned demand or lack of demand. I think the buttons will be a minor issue if there is a lack of demand.

 

[bruce]

It's interesting how owners are divided on the 'TVR' door buttons.

More I think about it more I like the proximity sensor and it's drama but I have yet to have a passenger successfully open a door and in the rain that's a pain!

So I can see how buttons become more practical and do not have to be 'supervised'.

Regarding the comments on depreciation, caused by no buttons, I can't help thinking the bigger issue is pre-owned demand or lack of demand. I think the buttons will be a minor issue if there is a lack of demand.

Actually on the head RIC BUT why is there so little demand for a used example of this magnificent car?? means mine could be a lifetime keeper left to my kids with 400000 miles on it

 

[roundincircles]

Actually on the head RIC BUT why is there so little demand for a used example of this magnificent car?? means mine could be a lifetime keeper left to my kids with 400000 miles on it

Is it difficult to justify paying £150k plus for a pre-owned car with no history of the rate of depreciation, say, compared to a 458?

The myth of 458 ownership is that depreciation will be low, and 'manageable', if you keep the miles low against a background of a years wait list.......this later issue gives security to the buyer in my opinion, as does the extended warranty and service plan which all contribute to so called predictable costs.

But why is demand weak for the MAC? No history, lacks perceived drama,not desirable in a lustful way like the Fezza?

Early days and a bloody BIG recession has destroyed confidence.

It's equally confusing that there are a massive number of 458's for sale......wonder what the real prices are?

There, I have avoided your question.

We could discuss this add infinitum but I think it will take some time, months or years, before the public lust after Mclaren in the way they lust after a Fezza. It will come to pass but I don't know when.

 

[bruce]

Understood BUT when I take Macca to charity trackdays it is the 12c they want to ride in more than 458

At a supercar meet the photos are being taken of the 12c not the Ferraris

You must be on the right track I am sad to say as the used cars on PH are stuck

 

[robbie]

Is it difficult to justify paying £150k plus for a pre-owned car with no history of the rate of depreciation, say, compared to a 458?

The myth of 458 ownership is that depreciation will be low, and 'manageable', if you keep the miles low against a background of a years wait list.......this later issue gives security to the buyer in my opinion, as does the extended warranty and service plan which all contribute to so called predictable costs.

But why is demand weak for the MAC? No history, lacks perceived drama,not desirable in a lustful way like the Fezza?

Early days and a bloody BIG recession has destroyed confidence.

It's equally confusing that there are a massive number of 458's for sale......wonder what the real prices are?

There, I have avoided your question.

We could discuss this add infinitum but I think it will take some time, months or years, before the public lust after Mclaren in the way they lust after a Fezza. It will come to pass but I don't know when.

RIC can't you ask Ron !

 

[texas mongrel]

I like the touch doors, it's a feature that is totally unique to the car and helps define its character. I've never had a problem with them, although lots of passengers do (and that's kind of cool too - having to bring them into the secret world of McLaren!)

If I want button doors I can go open the door of my Ford GT, which is operated by a little rubber thingy under the door's lip - not nearly as special as stroking my baby (that sounds a bit rude......)!

 

[roundincircles]

RIC can't you ask Ron !

I can do but typically if I mention cars we end up talking about our Matchbox collection ( we both covet the Commer van in grey and our orange cement mixers even though they are the wrong scale) and , of course, will continue until closing time about the merits of various Dinky car models.

Depreciation , thus, never enters the conversation.

I do think Ron is influenced by his Dinky cars and believes the MP12 will eventually be in the same league depreciation wise.

 

[macmadmark]

I cannot really see what all the fuss is about. There are a lot of 458's on piston heads, and as low as 146k, so some are less than a 12c and some are more, but there are more out there than 12c's and I would not think you can expect any premium now for either. Best to drive it and enjoy it.