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Here is a link to a review that claims 7.40 at the Nordschelf.

Is this impressive for a stock 911 S ?

Not bad but it had the trick vectoring differential and an anorexic jockey.

http://pistonheads.co.uk/doc.asp?c=52&i=24729
 

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I'm not that impressed to be honest! A Camaro is doing with old tech school a claimed 7:41 [NBR]! The Mustang GT500 is said to be doing around 7:30 ish! A Nissan GTR 012 < 7:20! Looking at the price what's there to be impressed outside the fantastic meaty perfect quality feeling that the 991 has!? Fun factor!? Maybe so.. .


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Here is a link to a review that claims 7.40 at the Nordschelf.

Is this impressive for a stock 911 S ?

Not bad but it had the trick vectoring differential and an anorexic jockey.

http://pistonheads.co.uk/doc.asp?c=52&i=24729
Yawn. (the review, not the car) He actually compared the car to digital music. I need to start using the text search function in my web browser - if the article contains the word "Playstation", don't bother reading!
 

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I'm not that impressed to be honest! A Camaro is doing with old tech school a claimed 7:41 [NBR]! The Mustang GT500 is said to be doing around 7:30 ish! A Nissan GTR 012 < 7:20! Looking at the price what's there to be impressed outside the fantastic meaty perfect quality feeling that the 991 has!? Fun factor!? Maybe so.. .


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Actually, I'm quite impressed after reading the links that Mycroft posted. Sport Auto lapped the Carrera S around Hockenheim short faster than their time in a 458 Italia.

Remember the S is near the bottom of the food chain, with respect to the rest of the variants (Turbo(s), GT2, GT3, RS, etc.) that will be coming.

Whatever Porsche did, it seems like this 911 is indeed a better performer than where the 997 started off. That is bad news for their competitors!

p.s. I also love the interior. Rich-feeling, but classy, too. That will bring additional sales, I think (not that they need it!). Will be interesting to see how the interior evolves with the hardcore versions in the future.
 

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Actually before Porsche became a 4x4 car company they were a Sports car company so I'm not surprised they have not forgotten how to engineer a fast and accomplished sports car!!

The fact the interior gets mentioned reveals how the market is changing!!!!! We want bling and more bling!!
 

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The fact the interior gets mentioned reveals how the market is changing!!!!! We want bling and more bling!!
True. I'm getting old - I want to be pampered while I go fast. One of the key reasons I committed to the 12C early on - I was taken by the interior when I sat in the demo at the unveiling. Therein lies a dilemma - would love to have a seat with proper harness cutouts above the shoulder, but don't want to have to install a racing bucket!
 

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Admittedly, a ~7m40s N'ring run by the forthcoming 991 iteration of the PDK-equipped 911 Carrera-S is rather good (to be quite honest) for an ubiquitous 911-model. We're talking bone-stock/non-hot'rodded/modded, non-AWD platform & NA 400bhp, presumably street-tires & ~3,200lbs+! I guess it'd be even better if the "base" 991 991 Carrera (vs. the Carrera-S) did it.

For reference, other notables over the years...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

Setting-up/tuning for the N'ring can easily shave 10's of seconds off just about any platform, even a Carrera-S, yet still be largely stock/streetable.

I'm not a Porsche'phile, but I do love the Cayman-S/Cayman-R & the interior/ergonomics of the 991 911 Carrera. A widebody-version of the 991 997 Carrera (non-turbo) would be delightful! I assume it'd have to be a Carrera-4 / Carrera-4S (namely AWD) to get the widebody treatment?
 

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zonda, presumably the engines, gearbox and brakes OK?

I have the latest iteration Boxster which has been recalled for the heater control panel , crazy when you consider the Boxster has been around for 10years or more.
 

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The only issue with the very impressive Hockenheim and N-ring times is how "street" the tires really are, considering the terrible wet handling times. I think they commented in the review somewhere that the tires are pretty "optimized" for dry grip and not that far away from corsas. Either way, the times are pretty amazing all the same. Hockenheim especially is quite shocking to me. See, that's what happens when you go mid-engined ;).
 

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Sometimes I think the 911's ability to get traction early in corners thus exploiting it's rear engine weight is underestimated, especially on twistie tracks. Add vector steer and the new differential with more power and it is doing the business .
 

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Sometimes I think the 911's ability to get traction early in corners thus exploiting it's rear engine weight is underestimated, especially on twistie tracks. Add vector steer and the new differential with more power and it is doing the business .
I don't think that's the major difference. The turbos already have the vector differential. The big difference is 4 inches of extra wheelbase and the engine moving significantly in. Cayman is not going to catch 911. 911 will become a better Cayman.
 

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I don't think that's the major difference. The turbos already have the vector differential. The big difference is 4 inches of extra wheelbase and the engine moving significantly in. Cayman is not going to catch 911. 911 will become a better Cayman.
Yes, forgot that. What difference do the fancy `engine mounts make to track times?
 

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Yes, forgot that. What difference do the fancy `engine mounts make to track times?
I believe there is no difference. The mounts provide for less vibration and stiffen up under hard driving but I don't believe they are stiffer than a standard engine mount on a GT3.
 

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Nissan GTR R35 MY12

Actually, I'm quite impressed after reading the links that Mycroft posted. Sport Auto lapped the Carrera S around Hockenheim short faster than their time in a 458 Italia.

Remember the S is near the bottom of the food chain, with respect to the rest of the variants (Turbo(s), GT2, GT3, RS, etc.) that will be coming.

Whatever Porsche did, it seems like this 911 is indeed a better performer than where the 997 started off. That is bad news for their competitors!

p.s. I also love the interior. Rich-feeling, but classy, too. That will bring additional sales, I think (not that they need it!). Will be interesting to see how the interior evolves with the hardcore versions in the future.
Nissan GTR R35 is faster. Claimed NBR time (Nissan) <7:20. Price 75000£. Only a 991 has better quality at this price point. Durability is another extremely important factor when choosing a vehicle.
 

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Nissan GTR R35 is faster. Claimed NBR time (Nissan) <7:20. Price 75000£. Only a 991 has better quality at this price point. Durability is another extremely important factor when choosing a vehicle.
Why pay attention to mfrs claims when you have independent tests? The 530 PS version of GTR got 7:36 in supertest. At 4 seconds differential, the new 911S is a no-brainer.
 

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Nissan GTR R35 MY12

Why pay attention to mfrs claims when you have independent tests? The 530 PS version of GTR got 7:36 in supertest. At 4 seconds differential, the new 911S is a no-brainer.

The point is do we want to see the vehicles maximum performance, or do we want to see the drivers performance .. ? A factory driver is mostly ~10 seconds faster than Horst Von Saurma. A rollcage does not make a vehicle faster. Weight approx: 60 kg 4 a full cage. Gains on stiffness is so so. Buy a cage from Oakley's it's made from CF and weighs approx 20% off the steel ones, ie 12 kg vs 60 kg! Approved from FIA .. WRC levels off safety.
 

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The point is do we want to see the vehicles maximum performance, or do we want to see the drivers performance .. ? A factory driver is mostly ~10 seconds faster than Horst Von Saurma. A rollcage does not make a vehicle faster. Weight approx: 60 kg 4 a full cage. Gains on stiffness is so so. Buy a cage from Oakley's it's made from CF and weighs approx 20% off the steel ones, ie 12 kg vs 60 kg! Approved from FIA .. WRC levels off safety.
I am not sure you see the major problem with factory times: LYING. In other words, you cannot be sure the performance of what you are seeing. I advise you to freely ignore mfrs. times.
 
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