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http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/anyt...-fast-is-the-new-mclaren-around-the-ring.aspx


7:20 is not enough McLaren.. Could the MP-12C be the first production car to break under 7:10? Dodge did it in 7:12 and Lexus did it in 7:14 and the Porsche GT2 RS did it in 7:18!

 

[6th element]

That's the Sutcliffe blog I'm talking about. He never actually cites a concrete source for the info and has not since, either. No McLaren source has ever been quoted saying 7 min flat. Just another journalist trying to grab page views for his blog. C'mon Sutters, you should be above that.

I'm only repeating myself because after all the BS press this car has had to endure, it is important for people to have realistic expectations and recognize truly astonishing achievement, rather than let posters on this site label the car an "epic fail" because it doesn't do 7 flat.

The Dodge, Lexus and Porsche are NOT full luxury versions of their respective models, in fact far from it in each case. If the standard 12C can match ANY of them, out of the box, it will be incredible.

 

[Krzys]

That's the Sutcliffe blog I'm talking about. He never actually cites a concrete source for the info and has not since, either. No McLaren source has ever been quoted saying 7 min flat. Just another journalist trying to grab page views for his blog. C'mon Sutters, you should be above that.

I'm only repeating myself because after all the BS press this car has had to endure, it is important for people to have realistic expectations and recognize truly astonishing achievement, rather than let posters on this site label the car an "epic fail" because it doesn't do 7 flat.

The Dodge, Lexus and Porsche are NOT full luxury versions of their respective models, in fact far from it in each case. If the standard 12C can match ANY of them, out of the box, it will be incredible.

Except, Sutcliffe was the source of some other early rumors about performance, which later turned out to be identical to official claims (such as 0-100 mph of 6.1 sec). I am pretty sure it was McLaren dropping hints to Sutcliffe. Whether they are believable is a different story, especially considering that the Macca has trouble meeting the straight line performance claims from their official literature.

 

[andy c]

Except, Sutcliffe was the source of some other early rumors about performance, which later turned out to be identical to official claims (such as 0-100 mph of 6.1 sec). I am pretty sure it was McLaren dropping hints to Sutcliffe. Whether they are believable is a different story, especially considering that the Macca has trouble meeting the straight line performance claims from their official literature.

Depends on which mag you read? didnt car and driver do a 8.7 to 200kph??
And all the mag results are with the heavy spec car,not the lightest configuaration

 

[GFWilliams]

I doubt that Steve is talking BS. I think people would be surprised how good people like Steve are at getting information out of the right people. For all we know, he could have been told an official time, but is embargoed to say anything, so has written that saying he's speculating. Having said that, I'm speculating here too...

 

[Krzys]

Depends on which mag you read? didnt car and driver do a 8.7 to 200kph??
And all the mag results are with the heavy spec car,not the lightest configuaration

Yes, Car and and Driver got something close to it (hard to exactly tell as they show only 130 and 120 mph) and their 0-100 mph was on the money: 6.1. The trouble with those results is that they are US numbers, i.e. with 1-foot roll-out (which gets you .3-.4 sec). Typically, with performance claims of Porsche, Lambo (and even Ferrari, although as we know it means little), the official numbers are easy to achieve by everybody and various places beat them frequently. Here, the only mag that got close to the official numbers was Autozeitung. Nobody else.

It bothers me.

 

[andy c]

Yes, Car and and Driver got something close to it (hard to exactly tell as they show only 130 and 120 mph) and their 0-100 mph was on the money: 6.1. The trouble with those results is that they are US numbers, i.e. with 1-foot roll-out (which gets you .3-.4 sec). Typically, with performance claims of Porsche, Lambo (and even Ferrari, although as we know it means little), the official numbers are easy to achieve by everybody and various places beat them frequently. Here, the only mag that got close to the official numbers was Autozeitung. Nobody else.

It bothers me.

As we know it all depends on track conditions ,one good source that collates all the best times is fastestlaps ,as follows 2.9 to 60,5.9 to 100,8.7 to 125,13.9 to 150,whats to be bothered about Krzys,even with rollout the only car that is quicker is the bug,and the Aventatdor is no quicker and £80k more.
Afterall they have to have some room for the new F1

 

[Krzys]

As we know it all depends on track conditions ,one good source that collates all the best times is fastestlaps ,as follows 2.9 to 60,5.9 to 100,8.7 to 125,13.9 to 150,whats to be bothered about Krzys,even with rollout the only car that is quicker is the bug,and the Aventatdor is no quicker and £80k more.
Afterall they have to have some room for the new F1

Again, it's not the outright numbers which bother me. It's the attitude of the company: if you publish official numbers, i expect them to be easily achievable by reviewers. Otherwise, the question is: what is McLaren trying to do? we do not need another Ferrari.

 

[andy c]

Again, it's not the outright numbers which bother me. It's the attitude of the company: if you publish official numbers, i expect them to be easily achievable by reviewers. Otherwise, the question is: what is McLaren trying to do? we do not need another Ferrari.

I suppose you have to put it into perspective,when you watch the autocar drag race,its streets ahead of the 458 ringer,and the noble only took it after 150 mph.even after this when im under full power ,i wonder how they would get more power down anyway,the traction is fantastic,you can floor it anywhere and it just sticks and throws you towards the horizon,but you know that anyway!!!

 

[Squirrel]

Take a look at the Pagani Zonda R setting a 6:47:50 in the hands of Marc Basseng

 

[roundincircles]

Watching that really gets across that the pace is relentless, he never lets up, just keeps pressing........wonder how many laps he has done to get 'the knowledge'. Amazing.

 

[AugustWest]

That's incredible. I'm curious as to what his Vmax would be... ...and at around 6:37 the car flat sounds like a jet coming down off it's afterburners. Epic!

 

[widowmaker911]

Take a look at the Pagani Zonda R setting a 6:47:50 in the hands of Marc Basseng

Fastestlaps.com does NOT have this time listed.......i have not seen it published anywhere except from PAGANI

 

[falb]

Pagani has it listed on the side of the car as well. Seems as though this time is as official as the other times.

Pagani has it listed on the side of the car as well. Seems as though this time is as official as the other times. That driver certainly knows that track inside and out. His hands seemed quite steady and he was using all the curbing on the exits and knew where all the extra curbs were. Very impressive.

Personally I discount the Dodge ACR-X time since that is a factory race car. The LFA NE is a very limited production car and the GT2RS is only 500 cars, both valid times but nothing impresses me more than the corvette zr-1. The vette is seemingly a showroom car.

The 12C will no doubt put down a stellar time in the "showroom stock non-special edition road usable and legal" category.

 

[Mclaren-tech]

I cannot get enough of that video; I've been watching seems like every day for a couple of weeks now.. Brilliant.
Not sure how relevant it is to the 12C though, it is clearly a race car in sheep’s clothing has tyres created by Pirelli especially for this run, was obviously set up for this etc. Of course none of that takes away from a great time and great video, but if a stock 12C can get near 7 minutes, as stated by others here that will be epic.

 

[andy c]

Fastestlaps.com does NOT have this time listed.......i have not seen it published anywhere except from PAGANI

Fastestlaps is for street legal cars only,this is a track only special

 

[MTC]

6:47 pretty much DTM lap times? DTM vs Porsche 997 Super Cup approx 7 sec a lap ( Hockenheim GP circuit). A McLaren MP4-12C is approx 12 seconds off pace- Compared to DTM 2011 pole position lap. Aventador 1min 47.2 seconds at Hockenheim GP circuit. McLaren 1min 45.7 seconds.

2011

Ferrari 458 Italia Trofeo - Le Mans - 4:05.825

GT2 Ferrari 458 - 3.59.8 seconds

 

[andy c]

6:47 pretty much DTM lap times? DTM vs Porsche 997 Super Cup approx 7 sec a lap ( Hockenheim GP circuit). A McLaren MP4-12C is approx 12 seconds off pace- Compared to DTM 2011 pole position lap. Aventador 1min 47.2 seconds at Hockenheim GP circuit. McLaren 1min 45.7 seconds.

2011

Ferrari 458 Italia Trofeo - Le Mans - 4:05.825

GT2 Ferrari 458 - 3.59.8 seconds

were do you get the Hockenheim gp circuit times from?????as the gt2rs is 1:49.5,and it cannot be 4 seconds quicker on such a short circuit???

 

[MTC]

were do you get the Hockenheim gp circuit times from?????as the gt2rs is 1:49.5,and it cannot be 4 seconds quicker on such a short circuit???

Sorry!! My bad!

Aventador said to be doing accordingly to Lamborghini Deutschland 1min 47.5

McLaren Deutschland says the 12C thrives at the 4,574 km km GP circuit with a pro driver! Whom ever that would be?? it took the 12C ONE LAP to match the GT2 RS at the short Hockenheim IMPRESSIVE! They did not continue to try to improve since it started to rain so..

Anyway at Sachensring the GT2 RS with Walter Röhrl did 1min 33.5 second! Impressive but a DTM is doing approx 1min 20-21 or so, it's pretty sluggish compared! Then again i am sure the slicks helps 5 seconds..