[markow]

as quite a few others i still have to decide between a ferrari 458 italia and the mp4-12c. an issue is certainly the expected resale value. while the ferraris are know to have rather good residuals there are clearly no hard facts on mclaren residuals yet. supposedly others will also have thought about this....what are your expectancies on the resale values of the mp4-12c after say, 3-5 years?
enjoy your cars, peter

 

[roundincircles]

At this stage the pundits are predicting the same residual performance as the 458 but it all depends on future demand and the waiting time for delivery.

The worst case would be around £80k over three years.

But at this stage it is any ones guess. Remember the 458 will be changed sooner than the MP12.

 

[markow]

At this stage the pundits are predicting the same residual performance as the 458 but it all depends on future demand and the waiting time for delivery.

The worst case would be around £80k over three years.

But at this stage it is any ones guess. Remember the 458 will be changed sooner than the MP12.

do you men 80K residual value or 80K loss after 3 years? he first sounds very low to me (lower than 458 certainly), the second sounds reasonable.
peter

 

[andy c]

do you men 80K residual value or 80K loss after 3 years? he first sounds very low to me (lower than 458 certainly), the second sounds reasonable.
peter

Only my opinion,but they will probably make 1/3 of 12c,s to 458,so they will be a rarer car,which on its own dosent mean anything,but when these cars become more avalible around the world and people know how good they are for the money ,they will become more desirable and hold their money.Also the 12c will have longevity due to the carbon tub not degrading like metal cars,so the performance shouldnt suffer over time like on other cars in this class

 

[PhilMc]

I think he means 80k depreciation over three years.
I find it quite odd that people who buy exotics are worried about residuals.
IMO, These are luxuries that will definitely bite your account. If your worried about
residuals, then the luxury isn't for you no matter what luxury it is.

 

[markow]

I think he means 80k depreciation over three years.
I find it quite odd that people who buy exotics are worried about residuals.
IMO, These are luxuries that will definitely bite your account. If your worried about
residuals, then the luxury isn't for you no matter what luxury it is.

of course it is a luxury but it could be a reasonable one or an unreasonable one---)))
peter

 

[roundincircles]

I meant to say £80k depreciation over the first 3 years, then from year 5 onwards gradual appreciation to around £500,000 at year 10 for Volcanic Red ones only

 

[dennis]

According to my dealer, Ferrari is currently importing about 1800 cars to the U.S. annually, with the bulk of them now 458's. McLaren will import 300 during 2012. So at least in the short term it will be a much rarer car.

As demand increases you have to believe that they will ramp production to keep wait times to one year or less, otherwise they piss off too many buyers. When McLaren launched the 12C, they said they expected to reach 4000 cars per year production for the "family" of cars, with 30-40% coming to the U.S. So at that point they could be approaching Ferrari volumes, and Ferrari residuals.

IMO it is unlikely the 12C will have worse residuals than the 458, given the expected volumes and how good we all feel about the car.

 

[andy c]

I meant to say £80k depreciation over the first 3 years, then from year 5 onwards gradual appreciation to around £500,000 at year 10 for Volcanic Red ones only

Looks like youve made up your mind on the colour K !!

 

[roundincircles]

Andy, can't make my mind up so it will be a coin flip.

 

[AMLVantageV12]

i meant to say £80k depreciation over the first 3 years, then from year 5 onwards gradual appreciation to around £500,000 at year 10 for volcanic red ones only

+100!!

 

[SSO]

In terms of numbers built, the MP4-12c is closer to the 599 GTB than the 458. I would expect a similar depreciation curve. Probably 5 years before the MP4 dips below the GBP 100k mark.

 

[Osiris_x11]

In terms of numbers built, the MP4-12c is closer to the 599 GTB than the 458. I would expect a similar depreciation curve. Probably 5 years before the MP4 dips below the GBP 100k mark.

Interestingly, front-engine V12 Ferrari's (both 2+2 & 2-seat ranges) depreciate at a nose-bleed's pace 'stateside.

The mid-engine V8 Ferrari's depreciate very sparingly, before leveling-off & settling-in at a price-point slightly above their predecessors. The ownership year-1/year-2/year-3 values are particularly strong for these models, even above their sticker-price, as market-adjusted pre-owned models go for $25k-$50k above what can be ordered brand-new via dealer (due to Scuderia shenanigans, walking-in & ordering generally a difficult thing to do for the layman even w/ means/pocketbook).

I believe the MP4-12C will have a very strong residual, 'stateside. There's a sizable non-Tifosi crowd who are true gearheads & w/ means, as well as the novelty of owning a McLaren; not to mention the minuscule #'s of MP4-12C's relative to Gallardo's, 458's, R8's, etc. And, but of-course the all-world performance/handling, woot-woot!

Another point worth pondering is how & if/when the P13 may affect MP4-12C demand & so on.

With all that said, resale/residual/etc is largely a moot point for me w/ regards to the MP4-12C. This is gonna be a keeper for me, and a very unique & coveted experience (following the concept, awaiting the release, spec'ing/acquiring, getting a literal game-changer & as well as it coming from a man/principal/company/philosophy that I just revel in, all in real-time as it was happening). I don't see myself getting into the hypercar realm in this lifetime where I can duplicate such an escapade. So, I'm gonna enjoy & cherish it for all it is! 2012, oh yeaaa...

 

[997]

Also the 12c will have longevity due to the carbon tub not degrading like metal cars,so the performance shouldnt suffer over time like on other cars in this class

Is that actually FACT or is that just assumed because CF doesn't rust?

There are no 50 year old CF cars around to show us how they cope with aging.

Plastics etc do degrade and creep. What about CF?

 

[6th element]

With all that said, resale/residual/etc is largely a moot point for me w/ regards to the MP4-12C. This is gonna be a keeper for me, and a very unique & coveted experience (following the concept, awaiting the release, spec'ing/acquiring, getting a literal game-changer & as well as it coming from a man/principal/company/philosophy that I just revel in, all in real-time as it was happening). I don't see myself getting into the hypercar realm in this lifetime where I can duplicate such an escapade. So, I'm gonna enjoy & cherish it for all it is! 2012, oh yeaaa...

You have exactly the right attitude, my friend!! There will only be one opportunity to be a part of the beginning. Although F1 owners might lay claim to that (not sure about SLR owners).

 

[6th element]

Also the 12c will have longevity due to the carbon tub not degrading like metal cars,so the performance shouldnt suffer over time like on other cars in this class

Is that actually FACT or is that just assumed because CF doesn't rust?

There are no 50 year old CF cars around to show us how they cope with aging.

Plastics etc do degrade and creep. What about CF?

Let me clarify. The 12C will have longevity due to carbon chassis supercars being the FUTURE, while metal frame cars are the PAST.

Depreciation? Who knows?! Not me, but I'm not financially responsible enough to care, either!

 

[andy c]

Is that actually FACT or is that just assumed because CF doesn't rust?

There are no 50 year old CF cars around to show us how they cope with aging.

Plastics etc do degrade and creep. What about CF?

They say the F1 still has the structural rigidity of a new car,can you think of a supercar in our price range from 20 years ago that dosent wobble and flex after 50k miles??
The car is designed to be fixed quickly and realitively cheaply,so maybe all you have to do to keep this up to strength is replace the rear crash structure,as the suspension is mounted to the front of the tub,so should be ok.
Any thoughts on this?????????????

 

[483hp]

They have been using composites in aircraft for some time now. I think any punishment we see from use in cars will pale in comparison. I'm not that worried because you don't hear of any failures in F40's, F50's or F1's with those "old-tech" resins.

With respect to resale, it completely depends on demand. Fewer numbers will slow a decline, but ultimately if demand is not there for the used cars, residuals will suffer. That is where the controversial looks of the 12C may be a downside.

 

[andy c]

They have been using composites in aircraft for some time now. I think any punishment we see from use in cars will pale in comparison. I'm not that worried because you don't hear of any failures in F40's, F50's or F1's with those "old-tech" resins.

With respect to resale, it completely depends on demand. Fewer numbers will slow a decline, but ultimately if demand is not there for the used cars, residuals will suffer. That is where the controversial looks of the 12C may be a downside.

you make a good point,but thats were the 12c should benefit as its looks will age far less than the competition

 

[SSO]

Another point worth pondering is how & if/when the P13 may affect MP4-12C demand & so on.
...

Effect is likely zero. All the P13/F1 successors will presold before the 1st one is built.