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Assuming the 650Spider and 650Spider Coupe (really??) now replace the existing 12C, can we figure out how many 12Cs were made in total?

Surely the number is much smaller than originally intended. Who has or has seen the highest VIN?

Might be nice to also document the number of swipe door models and those with Pre- Cog paddles, if possible.
 

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I think it might be that "650S" is the coupe... It isn't the 12Coupe coupe :D

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All these rumors... lol....

12C is not ending...
 

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Why are we so sure that the 12C is ending? That doesn't tie in at all with what I've heard.

Consensus seems to be that the existing 12C is done. That therefore leaves us with the obsolete bastard child of Woking, or a somewhat rare future classic, depending on how you look at it.

Interesting that the final number of 12Cs produced may well be less than Ford GT.
 

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Why a new name? For marketing reasons, maybe..

But it is CLEARLY the same car. If they would have changed major stuff, they would have needed to do TESTING of it... if they would have done TESTING of it, there would have been a photo out there..

The car is being released at geneva. Not in 2 years. At Geneva, and goes on sale right away. First deliveries the same week or the week after actually...

So, more than a face lift is very very unlikely. If they would have changed tech, they would have needed to test the damn thing... They clearly did not.
 

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We were talking about the current 12C. It will be called 650S and much of it is new.
The engine is tuned, and panels are new. That's it... And if the name changes, is still in the stars.
 

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We were talking about the current 12C. It will be called 650S and much of it is new.

Seems like it. And you could say the same for the F360 to the F430. Nobody would call then the same car, though.

If the name is changing AND the old one is discontinued, how can it not be considered a new car in terms of production numbers? It's not like the Nissan GT-R that keeps its name but gets tweaks from year to year.
 

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Why a new name? For marketing reasons, maybe..

But it is CLEARLY the same car. If they would have changed major stuff, they would have needed to do TESTING of it... if they would have done TESTING of it, there would have been a photo out there..

The car is being released at geneva. Not in 2 years. At Geneva, and goes on sale right away. First deliveries the same week or the week after actually...

So, more than a face lift is very very unlikely. If they would have changed tech, they would have needed to test the damn thing... They clearly did not.
And you think they haven't done any testing and development with some 12C mules? :eek:
 

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It's the same car, nothing other than look and engine upgrade changed. Of course they tested the engine...

But clearly it is not a new car. Did they test the P1 in a 12C mule only? Of course not.

It's a new model year... Maybe they call it a 12C 650S instead of a 12C MY15. Ever think of that?

Still makes it a 12C though.
 

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The engine is tuned, and panels are new. That's it... And if the name changes, is still in the stars.
Improved aero, improved cooling, more carbon fiber and it has an improved clutch mechanism...

Not saying it's a new car, but it's heavily revised and much more refined overall. :)
 

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Improved aero, improved cooling, more carbon fiber and it has an improved clutch mechanism...

Not saying it's a new car, but it's heavily revised and much more refined overall. :)
right, its a MY15 12C.

And the cooling is changed because of the 650hp.
 

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If the delta between a 12c and 650s is a tuned engine and different body panels they should both be able to co-exist peacefully in the same production line, getting assembled by the same group of folks. There wouldn't seem to be any need to stop making the standard issue 12c. Just as the chaps that currently put the brakes on look to see if it's steels or CCBs, the guys that drop the engine in, and install the body panels will reference the order and put on the proper parts.

Maybe this is an oversimplification, but it certainly seems doable.

-Jamie.
 
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