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I once said I love McDonald's n I also like Burger King, but certainly not McLemon.
Well they already did very well fighting against all UK presses against the Ferrari 458
N did very well on tests in C&D. Ring times are superb n Off the roof.
However, re: deliveries, overpromising, can't comment. I bailed n jumped off long time ago for fear of events like Jalo posted. Not a problem as long as they deal with it, I hope but certainly not for me. My 458 is coming.
Well they already did very well fighting against all UK presses against the Ferrari 458
N did very well on tests in C&D. Ring times are superb n Off the roof.
However, re: deliveries, overpromising, can't comment. I bailed n jumped off long time ago for fear of events like Jalo posted. Not a problem as long as they deal with it, I hope but certainly not for me. My 458 is coming.
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Jalopnik is often the equivalent of those trash rags that line the registers at the supermarket. Their style of 'journalism' is generally poor IMO.
As for the cars - it is a new car from a new manufacturer and bound to have some early issues. You're also dealing with a new dealer network and new channels of communication. I am sure McLaren are trying their very best but anyone who expected a flawless launch of their first car had some flawed thinking.
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As for the cars - it is a new car from a new manufacturer and bound to have some early issues. You're also dealing with a new dealer network and new channels of communication. I am sure McLaren are trying their very best but anyone who expected a flawless launch of their first car had some flawed thinking.
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Here's an real-life parable to I'd like to analogize...
Jeremy Clarkson, of TopGear fame, said the Ford GT was his dream-car of a lifetime & that it'd be his literal last sports-car acquistion, blah-bla-bah... till he then had to suddenly return it to the dealer/manufacturer as the anti-theft system (a non-Ford proprietary add'on) was incessantly problematic & he couldn't tolerate nor live w/ it. WTF-BBQ? Eggactly! The Ford GT has proven to be one of the most reliable, liveable, high-performance exotic high-performance sports-cars around w/ near 100% residuals from its original MSRP.
This Jalopnik dealio is sensationalism at its bests. . .
FWIW, the original post w/ its incomplete content (no link, no quoted content) & amended thread title, isn't helping the cause as such adds to the original Jalopnik malarkey.
Jeremy Clarkson, of TopGear fame, said the Ford GT was his dream-car of a lifetime & that it'd be his literal last sports-car acquistion, blah-bla-bah... till he then had to suddenly return it to the dealer/manufacturer as the anti-theft system (a non-Ford proprietary add'on) was incessantly problematic & he couldn't tolerate nor live w/ it. WTF-BBQ? Eggactly! The Ford GT has proven to be one of the most reliable, liveable, high-performance exotic high-performance sports-cars around w/ near 100% residuals from its original MSRP.
This Jalopnik dealio is sensationalism at its bests. . .
FWIW, the original post w/ its incomplete content (no link, no quoted content) & amended thread title, isn't helping the cause as such adds to the original Jalopnik malarkey.
agree. having a problem is not an issue as long as they can deal with it in a satisfactory manner. crisis management can win more merits.
http://jalopnik.com/5843016/is-the-mclaren-mp4+12c-a-lemon
Perhaps some merits to it but editor in chief Ray Wert is quite a famous journalist who has merits and writes from popular science and makes his comments on CNBC so he is professional in some ways.
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Calitalia - welcome back to the board. Congrats on your Ferrari. Before it arrives, probably prudent to do some research here.
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All the cars have exactly the same problem (big deal) 23feb 26,000 service, radio coming on,THE CAR IS NOT FINISHED!!!,re IRIS...our choice take the car now and have fun or wait 3 months for the iris,as least we have a choice ,first adopter syndrome.Some people dont like it ,but i suspect they are the ones who will filp for the next new car to come out.Jalopnik article titled 'Is the McLaren MP4-12C a lemon' McLemon?say it ain't so! pretty harsh news heading. any recent owners in this forum experience similar problems cited by the article?
Ok the door sensor was a problem,and was fixed over the weekend(almost).
Ive said this before,do you want to be in at the start and take a little pain,no car is perfect first time out.my fiend had a new 997 turbo when they first came out,blew 2 engines in 600miles,they gave him his money back!!! 40 years of development!!!
we know all the problems at the moment,the only issue is if there are engine transmission and suspension failures,i assume thats what the million miles of testing was for
Some don't like to be the first to own a new model because they want to avoid some of the initial problems that the early owners will face. It would be naive not to expect some problems from early production cars. In car terms, a lemon is one that continues to have a problem that cannot be fixed. To brand McLaren as a lemon is extremely harsh and sensational journalism. I still look forward to receiving my McLaren in Jan.
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6TH element. Your a mischief maker. I like your style. 458 bah, just perfect like a Toyota.
This is really interesting the journo as we say in the UK is a P-ll no I cannot finish the phrase on an open forum
Fact is very few of us are fortunate enough to own one yet! These cars are true amazing the best ,no the very best super car available ( ok I cannot afford a Veyron) !
Are there issues - yes all electronic software stuff that can and will be rectified in a short while and the attention I have received from both dealer and manufacturer as a result has been mindblowingly good
I believe some of these issues could have been a voided by getting owners to test these cars not jounos for example my dear wife pointed out today en route to a family gathering that there was no internal mirror to do her lippy Just goes to show she says women have not been involved in the testing program -OMG
A light heated post but a Lemon no way !!could only be the I'll informed sensational opinion of someone who has not driven this epic car or experienced Mclaren customer response
Fact is very few of us are fortunate enough to own one yet! These cars are true amazing the best ,no the very best super car available ( ok I cannot afford a Veyron) !
Are there issues - yes all electronic software stuff that can and will be rectified in a short while and the attention I have received from both dealer and manufacturer as a result has been mindblowingly good
I believe some of these issues could have been a voided by getting owners to test these cars not jounos for example my dear wife pointed out today en route to a family gathering that there was no internal mirror to do her lippy
Just goes to show she says women have not been involved in the testing program -OMGA light heated post but a Lemon no way !!could only be the I'll informed sensational opinion of someone who has not driven this epic car or experienced Mclaren customer response
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Bruce,do you know how much a mirror weighs!! it would double the weight of the visor.you need to take her out and buy her a bigger handbag!This is really interesting the journo as we say in the UK is a P-ll no I cannot finish the phrase on an open forum
Fact is very few of us are fortunate enough to own one yet! These cars are true amazing the best ,no the very best super car available ( ok I cannot afford a Veyron) !
Are there issues - yes all electronic software stuff that can and will be rectified in a short while and the attention I have received from both dealer and manufacturer as a result has been mindblowingly good
I believe some of these issues could have been a voided by getting owners to test these cars not jounos for example my dear wife pointed out today en route to a family gathering that there was no internal mirror to do her lippy
A light heated post but a Lemon no way !!could only be the I'll informed sensational opinion of someone who has not driven this epic car or experienced Mclaren customer response
So how many 458,s did you own? before you bought the best car in the world????
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Andy, Guess the bigger handbag and mirror would be in the car..........but a vanity mirror would weigh less than the increase in handbag size......no silly, girls need big handbags for all the .......girly thingies.
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Ah yes,but said handbag would not be present in the car at all times,therefore reducing the average weight over set time period one thinks!
Also a shame i dont like skinny girls!!
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Understand. You like big girls with big handbags. We better leave it at that.
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You ain't lying- I can piss straight vinegar if the mood strikes.
But look, I had half a mind to let it go. Then I got to thinking - there's hundreds of employees at McLaren Automotive busting their arses every day to get these cars sorted for us. And doing a pretty damn swell job, by the reactions of the owners on this site.
So, if you are going to come on here and postulate this and that, you better not live in a glass house yourself, as the saying goes. And with regards to quality control history, a 458 owner doesn't even live in a glass house - it's a house made of very thin sheets of ice, i.e. very bad things happen when the temperature rises. Capiche?
Besides, we've already dealt with this inevitability. Linking to myself is as cheddar as it gets, but it's the responses to the original post that are pertinent here: http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227
OK I'm done.
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6th element. You know and I know there are people who want a Mac and understand what early adoption is about but we judge McLaren will be there, with us as owners, dealing with the issues. McLaren will not let us down.
You only have to visit Ron's World and meet the Crew, top to bottom, and you then realise that the customer is part of the Team. They will deliver and we will have fun.
They will not get everything right but I would not bet against them.
Get my car, asap and good luck to Ferrari and their customers, hope they are happy clappy also.....
You only have to visit Ron's World and meet the Crew, top to bottom, and you then realise that the customer is part of the Team. They will deliver and we will have fun.
They will not get everything right but I would not bet against them.
Get my car, asap and good luck to Ferrari and their customers, hope they are happy clappy also.....
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And another thing. Starting a new company with new employees, building facilities, new product, new technology on a green field is............barmy.......but this is McLaren!
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Your post is very reminiscent of a conversation I had with Simon Andrew after my test drive last week. We were talking about many of the past events and I was telling him about some of the heated topics that have surfaced here on this forum. He was genuinely interested to know why I was such a staunch defender of a car (and company) that I hadn't even driven yet.
I told him that it wasn't a blind faith, but until proven otherwise I was willing to trust that McLaren would deliver because I believe in the core values that they are extolling as an organization. As you say, I wouldn't bet against them. In fact, we are betting with them and you are right, that is the fun of it. Truthfully, as customers, we should be thankful for the seemingly endless queue of detractors that want McLaren to falter; they each have their own ulterior motives, but the end result is that it probably makes the folks at McLaren Automotive feel like perpetual underdogs. And by all accounts, it appears that they thrive on it.
p.s. Yes, good wishes to all Ferrari customers. There is always a spot in my garage reserved for a brand new car from Maranello. But until some things change in a very significant manner at that company, that spot will be occupied by machinery from other marques.
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My thoughts exactly,and its great to feel like your involved at the start.
Brings back to mind when i spoke to Francis about my car a couple of weeks ago,and he said off the cuff,oh your name came up today in a production meeting at the MTC.ok miight have been a negative comment,but we are not just numbers.
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