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So I'm forcing myself to always be in manual mode, in NYC, and as comfy and easy as the car is, it's like learning to drive a manual when I was a teenager (contrary to popular belief, I'm no longer a teenager, at least physically :)

Anyway, is anyone else coming from driving manual all their life and trying to master and intuition with the manual paddles? Part of the intracacy is learning what is the "right" gear to be in. 7 is ridiculous. This car probably only needs 3! I'm starting to get a feel for the more high wound gears. 5th is a sweet spot for high speed passing. 6 still pulls too, albeit not as immediate. 4th is insane vision blurring.

Anyway, one thing I notice is when you're stuck in traffic, the car does not want to shift from 1st up to 2nd unless you hit about 2000rpms, but then is perfectly willing to go just as slow crawling in traffic in 2nd. Which makes no sense. Anyone else notice this. I think this could be tuned in a software update. The car has enough torque for me probably to start it in 5th! so I should be able to kick it to 2nd even at low rpms to keep it from being so jumpy. I think this gets to the 458 having better immediacy/shifting at low speed perception.

The car certainly lets me make bad decisions (which is a good thing). For example, letting me shift down to 1st at 45mph and hearing the wail. The more mistakes the car lets you make, the more immediate it will feel.

Right now the 2nd gear lockout at low speed is the only time I seem not to be able to get the gear I want. This is with suspension in normal, and power in sport/manual mode.

Anyhow, after a bunch driving and learning to shift I come out of the car smiling like an idiot, but with sweat down my back from all the focus!

Weirdly, at high speed the thing is already wired into my brain. Haven't quite got pre-cog wired in, but the car just wants to "cruise" at 100-110mph. This is not good for my long term driving privileges! :) Worse still, even when you're going by other traffic at these speeds, it just doesn't seem that fast. Is insane. Going in other cars at this speed, you just feel the speed so much more, but the Mac lets you go so much further out before you start feeling the need to focus.

Car is so good I want to lick it after every drive. Crazy f'n car! :)
 

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John,that was an interesting read,funny how we all have our own aims and preferences,not sure if its a regional difference,but I have only ever had manual cars and took to the paddle shift like a duck to water,to me the pre-cog was a natural progression from a normal sports manual,rather than on/off norm of a dual clutch and I only ever use auto on a motorway cruise,i agree with much of what you say,but for me I never use 1st,but find my balastic gear is 3rd,,when not in the city confines,i use the box to keep the engine singing at 5 to 8.5k revs,when I can,but then you have to have your eyes out on stalks !!:)
 

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I'm boring. I keep the revs low, generally. But you're right. 3 screams so hard I'm afraid it
Will shatter glass. I cannot fathom "more drama."

I'm going to set the engine noise setting down next drive.

I was worried it would be boring. I'm happy that its far from the case. It requires a good bit of deftness to drive the car really well. The reality is, it probably drives itself better in full auto mode than I do now. But I love the ability to be a newbie again. And am getting a good feel for it and plan to kick butt over time.

Thanks Andy, glad to hear I'm not alone! :)
 

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I'm boring. I keep the revs low, generally. But you're right. 3 screams so hard I'm afraid it
Will shatter glass. I cannot fathom "more drama."

I'm going to set the engine noise setting down next drive.

I was worried it would be boring. I'm happy that its far from the case. It requires a good bit of deftness to drive the car really well. The reality is, it probably drives itself better in full auto mode than I do now. But I love the ability to be a newbie again. And am getting a good feel for it and plan to kick butt over time.

Thanks Andy, glad to hear I'm not alone! :)
John I would think 90% of the European owners on this forum use manual most of the time,maybe its in your genes ;) (And Canadian,but they are European anyway,but like to admit it :D )
 

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I always drive mine on the road in "sport" manual and love it, the pre-cog is so much fun when you get the hang of it. When tracking I use manual too, but tend to hit the rev limiter a lot, so at a track day yesterday I ran it in "auto" for a change. A dealer told me that he thought the car is actually quicker round a track when in auto, but I noticed that it sometimes took a little too long to find the appropriate exit gear when steaming into a tight corner. What do you other track monsters think?
 

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Thanks Texas. I like your location; my GF is from McKinney. :)

I can't wait to track the Mac. Have you tried tracking with all TC off yet? I'm sure it's slower, but did it feel intuitive or teetering on recklessness?
 

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John I would think 90% of the European owners on this forum use manual most of the time,maybe its in your genes ;) (And Canadian,but they are European anyway,but like to admit it :D )
I'd like to say I was born in europe, but think I'm stretching things. I'm quite the mutt. Originally from Georgia, and not the one with Atlanta in it. :)

And you're right. The Mac is the first car I've ever had that's non-manual.
 

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I always drive mine on the road in "sport" manual and love it, the pre-cog is so much fun when you get the hang of it. When tracking I use manual too, but tend to hit the rev limiter a lot, so at a track day yesterday I ran it in "auto" for a change. A dealer told me that he thought the car is actually quicker round a track when in auto, but I noticed that it sometimes took a little too long to find the appropriate exit gear when steaming into a tight corner. What do you other track monsters think?
Hey Texas. Noticed you have/had the ford gt. I always loved how that car looked. How do you like it? I've heard that the front end might experience lift at high speed and get unstable. A friend of a friend died in one. Ended up over a guard rail in a tree. Heard of one similar story, but not clear to me as to the cause. Often easier and more likely attributed to driver error.

I've seen some reviews of people tracking it and it seemed like a handful, but the drivers were near euphoric in describing how they enjoyed it. Don't understand why ford stopped making it, but that makes it all the more special.

Have a soft spot for that car. A bit like the NSX, a dream car I always lusted for but couldn't swing at the time.
 

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Around town (Power in track/Handling in sport) ...... I never get out of 2nd gear (manual mode)..... I like keeping the revs up, and being ready to punch it! The automatic mode is too wishy-washy for my taste.
And, jkheit ..... That upcoming NSX is looking pretty damn cool. It's on my radar screen for the future; Especially if my Mc dealership keeps pissing me off with the sour-ass attitude they exude!
 

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Haha love your enthusiasm jk

I spend most time in sport/sport manual. This also stiffens up the dive and reduces risk of a chin scrape. Some of us are using norm/norm to warm the engine up but I think cold lugging is worse than revving.

Paddles seem intuitive but I rarely drove manuals growing up. (Past issues: On the Gallardo people famously activate the windshield wiper while shifting. And not liking the 12C paddles on the wheel, better on column.) What's really non intuitive is the race guys punching the left side forward with their thumbs to upshift. Easy to get mixed up then. Apparently precog irrelevant to them.

I'm not learning left foot braking. Too risky. You?
 

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I drove nothing but manuals for decades .... This was my very first paddle-shifter. How many guys use the same hand to shift up or down since the mechanism is just a big see-saw ? It seems more natural, to me, that way. :)
 

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John I would think 90% of the European owners on this forum use manual most of the time,maybe its in your genes ;) (And Canadian,but they are European anyway,but like to admit it :D )
Thanks andy I'm glad you added us Canadians in there, and what other way is there to drive a car like this except in manual. Cheers...??
 

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Haha love your enthusiasm jk

I spend most time in sport/sport manual. This also stiffens up the dive and reduces risk of a chin scrape. Some of us are using norm/norm to warm the engine up but I think cold lugging is worse than revving.

Paddles seem intuitive but I rarely drove manuals growing up. (Past issues: On the Gallardo people famously activate the windshield wiper while shifting. And not liking the 12C paddles on the wheel, better on column.) What's really non intuitive is the race guys punching the left side forward with their thumbs to upshift. Easy to get mixed up then. Apparently precog irrelevant to them.

I'm not learning left foot braking. Too risky. You?
I'll eventually give the left foot thing a try, but right now I can't seem to park without road rashing my rims on a curb! :)

I do like the rocker. But I can see why some might not like it. As for stationary vs moving with the wheel, I think you may be right. When turning in tight and wanting to shift, it can be challenging. Although you would need huge stationary paddles.

I'm going to try stepping up to sport/sport manual. I keep it soft around NYC. Makes it less of a rodeo. But once outside the city, I think you guys are right.
 

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Around town (Power in track/Handling in sport) ...... I never get out of 2nd gear (manual mode)..... I like keeping the revs up, and being ready to punch it! The automatic mode is too wishy-washy for my taste.
And, jkheit ..... That upcoming NSX is looking pretty damn cool. It's on my radar screen for the future; Especially if my Mc dealership keeps pissing me off with the sour-ass attitude they exude!
I can only imagine your fuel consumption. My range is crap. I keep thinking I'm driving it well/economically, but I just went through 176miles on 13 gallons. Not exactly great. I'm fearing if I kept it in 2nd I'd get 5mpg. Granted, they're very fun MPG. :)

I wonder if the car gets more efficient with time/break in? I've just hit 750miles, so I'm past the official break-in period.

Ug. Sorry to hear re: shitty attitude dealer. It makes a world of difference. The Phili Mac dealer in the states is amazing. The one in Palo Alto not nearly as good. I avoided the ferrari dealer in Manhattan for similar reasons.

I'm not fully in love with the new NSX yet. I've been watching it very eagerly. I loved the original Acura HSC they had in pretty final form to replace the original NSX:

http://wikicars.org/en/Acura_HSC_Concept

I've learned through some apocryphal lore that the original designers the HSC were poached by Ferrari, and why the 458 has more than a passing resemblance to the HSC, which predates it!

HSC was midengine, and I think it might have been set up for a 10cylinder engine. So compared to the HSC, I'm a bit muted on the current design. That said, it still looks very nice. I'm eager to see what they actually release. Their sights are the 911 turbo, 458 and Mac, so they're shooting for the right ball park! :)
 

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I drove nothing but manuals for decades .... This was my very first paddle-shifter. How many guys use the same hand to shift up or down since the mechanism is just a big see-saw ? It seems more natural, to me, that way. :)
I do too! It's (one handed shifting) very useful if you're fiddling with something, like IRIS telling me I'm flying over the Hudson river 300 ft south of where I am. :)
 

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Manual is the only way to get the intended experience while driving the 12c. I only drive in manual on any single or double clutch trans. If its a true automatic then the paddles are pretty useless imo.
 

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JK--great post. I've become a little lazy driving in and out of NYC I tend to let the car do the work. I tend to only hit the paddles on an as needed basis. But you've reminded me to be more active, so thanks.

BTW, I'm pretty sure the reported MPG from the dash is based on imperial gallons. Anytime I've checked the math, it doesn't work on US gallons, but is close with UK.
 

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I actually leave it most of the time in soort sport auto and play with the flippers. Depending on my mood I still do like a manual and ability to throw the rear around. The fgt is my only remaining manual. They don't make any more supercars with manuals and the only alternative is muscle cars like gt500 or. Camaro zl1. A petty!!
 

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I drove nothing but manuals for decades .... This was my very first paddle-shifter. How many guys use the same hand to shift up or down since the mechanism is just a big see-saw ? It seems more natural, to me, that way. :)
I must be unique Limey,i don't know why ,but I have both hands on the paddles at all times and as I pull with one I press with the other which to me takes out the tension and makes for a smoother change,and always use pre-cog,but its all in my mind as I know I cannot make it smoother this way,its just the way my hands fell when I first got in the car I suppose.As for left foot braking!! Ive tried but my foot still thinks its the clutch and I;m sick of my forehead hitting the windscreen,but I was told my head would get used to it after a while???;)
 
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