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Sport Auto Super Test

Nürburgring Hockenheim Car at Rockingham
GT2 RS 7.24 1.08.4 1.28.78
458 7.38 1.10.5 1.28.30
SLS AMG 7.40 1.10.8 1.33.01
R8 GT 7.34 1.09.6
R8 5.2 FSI 7.44 1.10.9 1.31.06
Apollo S 7.24 1.07.2


GT2 RS 458 Italia
weight 1445 1485
weight test car 1405 1540

0-100 3.5 3.5
0-100 claimed 3.5 3.4
0-200 9.8 10.6

100-0 cold 33.6 34.6
100-0 warm - 33.6
200-0 126.6 133.3

Top Speed 330 326

slalom 18m 74.1 70.7
slalom 36m 144.0 136.0

Power 620 570
Torque 700 540

Power to weight 2.58 2.7

Tyres Pilot Sport Cup Pilot Sport K1


If I am getting it correctly from the Sport Auto Super Test data, the 458 they put on the scale had a whole raft of carbon extras fitted (at HUGE expense) including the sports seats with carbon kit
 

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Well the above looked far more readable when I typed it in the box than when it was posted :confused:

Anyway there is not ONE discipline where the Italia beats the GT2RS.

The distance between the SLS and the GT2RS is roughly the same as with the Car test.

The Italia sheds a LOT of weight compared with the Sport Auto 458 already fitted with sport seats with carbon kit and all of a sudden is faster than the GT2RS.

Go figure
 

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Well the above looked far more readable when I typed it in the box than when it was posted :confused:

Anyway there is not ONE discipline where the Italia beats the GT2RS.

The distance between the SLS and the GT2RS is roughly the same as with the Car test.

The Italia sheds a LOT of weight compared with the Sport Auto 458 already fitted with sport seats with carbon kit and all of a sudden is faster than the GT2RS.

Go figure
That's clearly a ringer and standard operating procedure for Ferrari. The problem is that McLAren cannot compete with a Lambo cab on track. I don't know what to call it, since disappointment is just not the word.
 

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That's clearly a ringer and standard operating procedure for Ferrari. The problem is that McLAren cannot compete with a Lambo cab on track. I don't know what to call it, since disappointment is just not the word.
Maybe a lack of an off switch for the electronic gadgets did not help?
 

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Maybe a lack of an off switch for the electronic gadgets did not help?
Probably, although McLaren as masters of traction/stability systems in F1 (they supply ECU's to all the other teams), should know a thing or two how to turn a protective nanny into a driver's aid. Ferrari clearly does it, McLaren should be even better at it.

More than that, they knew the STig would test, they should have provided car with the nannies off (there is supposedly a secret code). Now, they look like incompetent idiots.
 

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That's clearly a ringer and standard operating procedure for Ferrari. The problem is that McLAren cannot compete with a Lambo cab on track. I don't know what to call it, since disappointment is just not the word.
You're so dramatic! :) You really think the hydraulics was an excuse and the 12C can't do a 1:28 flat, given the acceleration numbers? Man, maybe you should just give up on the 12C- you'll never, ever be satisfied.

The way I see it, the 12C is fastest in EVO by .3 over the RS and fastest in CAR by .8 over the RS. That's 2 for 2 and pretty much the fastest regular series production car with 2 doors and roof ever, exactly as McLaren claimed. TG, Sport Auto and the Ring times still to come, but I'm feeling the Mac will make it a clean sweep.
 

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You're so dramatic! :) You really think the hydraulics was an excuse and the 12C can't do a 1:28 flat, given the acceleration numbers? Man, maybe you should just give up on the 12C- you'll never, ever be satisfied.

The way I see it, the 12C is fastest in EVO by .3 over the RS and fastest in CAR by .8 over the RS. That's 2 for 2 and pretty much the fastest regular series production car with 2 doors and roof ever, exactly as McLaren claimed. TG, Sport Auto and the Ring times still to come, but I'm feeling the Mac will make it a clean sweep.
I am. I don't take disappointment well. First impressions count for a lot.
 

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More than that, they knew the STig would test, they should have provided car with the nannies off (there is supposedly a secret code). Now, they look like incompetent idiots.
Maybe they saw how he was all elbows ham-fisting the other cars round the circuit and figured he'd do better with them on. I bet Goodwin was just shaking his head watching those onboard vids.
 

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I am. I don't take disappointment well. First impressions count for a lot.
Go with the 2RS, then. Or perhaps the 3RS 4.0. I think these cars will be the least likely to disappoint you. Reliable and fast. Slower than the 12C, mind, but still very, very quick.
 

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Go with the 2RS, then. Or perhaps the 3RS 4.0. I think these cars will be the least likely to disappoint you. Reliable and fast. Slower than the 12C, mind, but still very, very quick.
I know what you are saying, and I enjoy tracking Porsches, too, but mid-engined cars are the best. I loved my scud, but it is too harsh for a DD. Italia is too heavy and dull feeling on the track. I really had high hopes for McLaren.
 

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I know what you are saying, and I enjoy tracking Porsches, too, but mid-engined cars are the best. I loved my scud, but it is too harsh for a DD. Italia is too heavy and dull feeling on the track. I really had high hopes for McLaren.
Ron is probably plotting revenge at the moment....
 

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I know what you are saying, and I enjoy tracking Porsches, too, but mid-engined cars are the best. I loved my scud, but it is too harsh for a DD. Italia is too heavy and dull feeling on the track. I really had high hopes for McLaren.
Well then, stay tuned.
 
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