It's Very British

Would be classy if it came with that suit. I'll send my measurements to Mr Dennis. Forget tire pumps.

I'm having a problem with the exhaust note. Doesnt fit the visual glory and performance. But then, the 997TT got by like that for years. High hopes for 12C with fabspeed.

I absolutely love the exhaust note of my 12C. Admittedly I did go for the inconel option as I did have concerns that the turbos would mute the sound somewhat just like the 997 Turbo (which sounds more like the world's most powerful vacuum cleaner than a sports car).

How many folks out there are really going to consider the Fabspeed over the factory inconel system and risk voiding the warranty? I wouldn't.

Good to know. I've only heard one 12C "in the flesh". Is it the exhaust note or the piped induction song?
I used to say my 911 turbo sounded like a nuclear beehive.
Can you hear the turbines well?
How is inconel different in sound?
Warranty risk prob not worth it for Fabspeed. Any official policy?

Personally I don't want a regular use Supercar to be loud and irritating , btw mclaren will cancel warranty for aftermarket exhaust .

I freaking love the sound of mine with the sport exhaust.
Eric

Wtdoom said:

Personally I don't want a regular use Supercar to be loud and irritating , btw mclaren will cancel warranty for aftermarket exhaust .

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Agreed, ideally it would sound good at high rpms and throttle settings, but not make babies cry and bystanders roll their eyes. I'd prefer straight pipe loud over contrived anything.
F1 scream not needed, just something a little throaty with overrun.

ammoman said:

I freaking love the sound of mine with the sport exhaust.
Eric

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+1. Mine:

Appears that we all love our sports exhaust

However, I've spent a fair bit of time in a car with the standard exhaust recently and would say that anyone who chooses not to go the inconel route will still be very happy. The standard exhaust makes all of the right noises and pops and crackles on the overrun, the inconel does the same but just marginally louder.

I know the inconel doesn't bring a power increase but my car does feel faster than the one with the standard exhaust (one of the demonstrators here). I guess that is either louder makes it feel faster or I simply drive my car harder than one which has just been loaned to me ... Probably a combination of both.

Jerry said:

Appears that we all love our sports exhaust

However, I've spent a fair bit of time in a car with the standard exhaust recently and would say that anyone who chooses not to go the inconel route will still be very happy. The standard exhaust makes all of the right noises and pops and crackles on the overrun, the inconel does the same but just marginally louder.

I know the inconel doesn't bring a power increase but my car does feel faster than the one with the standard exhaust (one of the demonstrators here). I guess that is either louder makes it feel faster or I simply drive my car harder than one which has just been loaned to me ... Probably a combination of both.

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Is yours fully loaded Jerry,ie electric seats?? i find my non-electric seated 12c to be so much lighter!!! and subsiquently so much quicker than most other 12c

andy c said:

Is yours fully loaded Jerry,ie electric seats?? i find my non-electric seated 12c to be so much lighter!!! and subsiquently so much quicker than most other 12c

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Darn, if I hadn't gone for those electric seats then it would feel even faster

On that subject, not sure I would specify the electric seats next time around. The easy entry/exit system could be improved in my opinion ... The car should remember which seat setting corresponds to which key fob and then when you start the engine the seat should automatically return to it's set position. Having to keep the seat memory button pressed every time you get in just doesn't seem overly advanced. I've turned this option off, but then I'm only 5' 9" so getting in and out isn't as much of a challenge as it would be for some.

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+1. Mine:

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I'm convinced! It sounds both great and distinct from other cars.
So the main reason for sport exhaust is to shave a bit of weight?

ergoproxy said:

I'm convinced! It sounds both great and distinct from other cars.
So the main reason for sport exhaust is to shave a bit of weight?

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Actually, the weight saving is negligible, since the unit is so small. Venting the exhaust straight back was a design decision to minimize the size of the exhaust system, in addition to keeping the resultant turbulent airflow up an away from the back of the rear diffuser (thereby allowing the diffuser to provide maximum downforce).

Everybody's ears are tuned differently, I guess. I think the standard exhaust sounds fine, but to my ears the Inconel exhaust is definitely louder and raspier, both at idle and under power. It sounds less muffled by the turbos and you pick up more of the V8 growls and gurgles. I don't know why journalists say you can't hear much; lifting off the throttle with the windows open, I can hear all kinds of nice pops and burbles. Beyond that, the main benefits of Inconel are heat and corrosion resistance. Perhaps benefits not realized without heavy track use, but then again you can say that with just about every go-fast feature of this car!

p.s. the video I made above was revving only to 7000 rpm as there is some sort of limiter when in neutral. Not sure if they plan to remove that; I requested it in my feedback. Obviously, things get louder still when in gear from 7000-8500 rpm.

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I'm convinced! It sounds both great and distinct from other cars.
So the main reason for sport exhaust is to shave a bit of weight?

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I quite like being able to tell folks "it's got a fancy inconel exhaust, exactly the same stuff as the F1 cars" .... That' got to be worth something

Ha ha true Jerry. The base exhaust must be well engineered for this expensive option to add no hp and shave no substantial weight. Another issue: I'm told there is usually a sweet spot for options, too low or too high a sticker price and one either has trouble moving the car or looses on the high end options.

At the time I ordered my car, I was told the inconel system was about 5 kg lighter than the standard system. It's only since becoming a member here that I've heard that they shaved a lot of weight off the standard system ... My decision would have remained the same regardless.

The sweet spot for options makes sense, not sure exactly where it is though. Electric seats will most likely be very desirable when it comes to resale whereas if you ticked all of the carbon fibre boxes it's unlikely you'll be getting a decent return on what you spent?

I wasn't planning on electric seats. May I inquire, is there a problem with the lighter ones?
Do they require a wrench to change height? Or is it the entry / egress issue?

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I wasn't planning on electric seats. May I inquire, is there a problem with the lighter ones?
Do they require a wrench to change height? Or is it the entry / egress issue?

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The manual seats have the same range of adjustment as the electrics. It's the entry/egress which I think folks (certainly anyone above average height) will want the electrics for.

manuals are the best seats ive ever had,both for comfort and support,the drivers seat has electrical height ajustment,im 5,9 and i dont have to move the seat or steering wheel get in and out and i have a bad back!!