[francis_p]

 

[francis_p]

I have been taken by this car from when I first saw it and it has started me thinking of what could lay ahead in the supercar market.

I have been critical in the past of the direction and marketing of manufacturers, associating their cars to racing and ultimate speed and performance in their design. In my eye, it has become an arms race that has become cliched and silly.

The compromised practicability for road use and in the end, the inability to match any race car for speed on a track, puts into question the very essence of their purpose. The Nurburgring has created a market segment that the sheer weight of numbers of brands building ultimate speed weapons, is creating a farce in part due to the money printing of Governments and the economics of making things to meet that high spend demand.

For me, I have had enough. I am suffering from a new phenomenon I'm calling "fastest overload".

I love the direction of the P72, that I'm told comes from the design of a forum member. I say bravo. I say bring back the analogue beauty of the sports car. I say don't let downforce dictate how the car should look. Let me change a manual gearbox and master the art of the heal and toe again. Give me a car that requires skill to master at speed and rewards mastering of its idiosyncrasies.

 

[ChrisK1982]

There have always been 2 breeds of sports cars, track performance orientated (Senna, GT3rs, GT2rs, Pista, Valkyrie etc) and design - driving culture and Luxury orientated (Bugatti Veyron, Bugatti Chiron, BMW Z8, Mercedes SLS, Speedtail etc ) ... however manual gearboxes are mostly dead bc of inefficiency and problems with the transmisson with todays power levels ... the feeling of the super light sports cars of the 1950- 1970is is also gone bc of of crash structures, safety equipment and luxury options that are required by the buyers ... the cars these days weighted mostly around 800-1200kg while today 1350 - 2000kg are the norm ... so relatively speaking more analogue cars are nice, but with todays standards there is no way back to what once was ... I think the way to go if someone wants to have that feeling is buying one of the many historic options that are available and put effort into preserving it and make the car run again like it used to in its days ...


However also agree with you that perforce levels are reaching absurd levels with cars like the Valkyrie/Senna etc ... there are very few ppl who can drive these at 10/10 and not one person should do that on a public road

 

[eMcL]

De Tomaso P72 Wows At Lake Como With Baby Blue Paint
This already stunning supercar looks even more gorgeous in this shade of blue.
May 29, 2022

De Tomaso P72 Wows At Lake Como With Baby Blue Paint

The De Tomaso P72 supercar stunned at Lak Como in Italy while wearing a unique shade of baby blue paint.

www.motor1.com

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

There is a lot of Ferrari p4/5 in that design.

 

[qvpower]

There is a lot of Ferrari p4/5 in that design.

The Detomaso design is much more curvaceous than the p4/5 and many design elements have been altered within a silhouette that is not unique to the P4/5.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

The Detomaso design is much more curvaceous than the p4/5 and many design elements have been altered within a silhouette that is not unique to the P4/5.

I understand your view. To me, it's a giant ripoff. But fair minded and good folks can totally disagree on it. Bit like the blue/gold dress meme I suppose!

 

[qvpower]

I understand your view. To me, it's a giant ripoff. But fair minded and good folks can totally disagree on it. Bit like the blue/gold dress meme I suppose!

Of course.. lol

 

[The Brigand]

I'd say it was a homage to a golden era of sport car design, very Italian 60's-70's - like a modern Alfa 33 Stradale.

 

[Roxind]

I'd say it was a homage to a golden era of sport car design, very Italian 60's-70's - like a modern Alfa 33 Stradale.

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Please, don't compare the Alfa with any other cars. An absolute masterpiece.
But I do get what you are saying

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

I'd say all of them owe more to the P3/4:

 

[qvpower]

I'd say all of them owe more to the P3/4:

Yes. I think the detomaso is visually resembles this car even more so than the P4/5 with alot more curves. I would get the Detomaso if it had a v12... lol

 

[Whiskey]

I have been taken by this car from when I first saw it and it has started me thinking of what could lay ahead in the supercar market.

I have been critical in the past of the direction and marketing of manufacturers, associating their cars to racing and ultimate speed and performance in their design. In my eye, it has become an arms race that has become cliched and silly.

The compromised practicability for road use and in the end, the inability to match any race car for speed on a track, puts into question the very essence of their purpose. The Nurburgring has created a market segment that the sheer weight of numbers of brands building ultimate speed weapons, is creating a farce in part due to the money printing of Governments and the economics of making things to meet that high spend demand.

For me, I have had enough. I am suffering from a new phenomenon I'm calling "fastest overload".

I love the direction of the P72, that I'm told comes from the design of a forum member. I say bravo. I say bring back the analogue beauty of the sports car. I say don't let downforce dictate how the car should look. Let me change a manual gearbox and master the art of the heal and toe again. Give me a car that requires skill to master at speed and rewards mastering of its idiosyncrasies.

What you are looking for, is a 5th Gen Viper GTS.

 

[Jonathan19]

Big news is coming for DeTomaso very soon.

 

[Chimaera]

Some new information (at least to me) about the P72. I can't really tell from the article if it's already in production and when they expect the first customer deliveries though. I'm also curious about the curb weight of the car but I can't find any official numbers.

First Look - De Tomaso P72 supercar

The road-going coupe version of the P72 has a very limited production run of 72 units

www.orangeville.com

First Look - De Tomaso P72 supercar

The coupe is sold out, but the roadster is destined for Canada when production begins in 2024

It's time to bring back the romance to automotive.

This was the message from De Tomaso Automobili as its P72 supercar made its Canadian debut at an invitation-only reception, hosted by ultraluxury dealer Grand Touring Automobiles in Toronto.

If the brand name sounds familiar but you can’t quite place it, its Chairman Norman Choi can jog your memory. Choi is based in Hong Kong, and his automotive career has seen him raise financing for Croatian automaker Rimac and act as CEO of supercar brand Apollo. He rescued the De Tomaso brand out of bankruptcy in 2014 in a moved based largely on nostalgia.

“I went to school in the U.S. back in the late 80s, and De Tomaso at the time was still a big hit,” Choi told Wheels.ca. “My neighbour had a Pantera, so every weekend he would take out the car and I was like wow, holy smoke, that's a nice-looking car. So, that's how I got started.”

Upon taking ownership of the De Tomaso brand, Choi began development of the P72 supercar, which is named in homage of the De Tomaso P70 prototype from the 1960s that was touched by the hands of both Peter Brock and Carroll Shelby. The P72 is based on the Apollo Intensa Emozione, which itself was developed in part by HWA, a German motorsport company founded by AMG co-founder Hans Werner Aufrecht. The car uses a monocoque chassis formed from 26 layers of directionally laid carbon fibre, including the crash structure and subframes, meaning the chassis itself weighs only 135 kilograms (or just under 300 pounds). Pair that with a six-speed manual gearbox as the only transmission option to go with the supercharged Ford Coyote V8—which in some markets Choi says can produce as much as 820 horsepower and 678 pound-feet of torque, depending on local regulations—and the P72 is nothing short of a rocket on wheels.

There are also persistent rumours that an associated Le Mans Hypercar is in development based on the P72, powered by a V12 engine and set to launch in 2024. And here’s some information to stoke the flames of that rumour: Choi says he’s planning to host the Pantera’s designer, Peter Brock, and his wife at the 100th anniversary of the 24 Hours of Le Mans this June.

Back to the road-going version of the P72: the planned production run of the coupe, set at 72 units, is sold out. But a roadster is in development and is currently undergoing homologation for the North American market, which is expected to be complete by this summer with production getting under way by late 2024. In Canada, Grand Touring Automobiles will be the exclusive distributor, serving clients in eastern Canada from its luxury-marque dealership in downtown Toronto and on the west coast from its Calgary locations. Pricing is yet to be determined, but expect it to exceed $2 million Canadian.

De Tomaso and Grand Touring Automobiles chose to host the P72’s Canadian debut on International Women’s Day and mark the occasion by telling a little-known story about the origins of the De Tomaso brand. Car enthusiasts may be familiar with the name of the marque’s founder, Alejandro de Tomaso, who was an Argentinian businessman and racing driver who entered a pair of Formula One races in the late 1950s. But little is said about his wife, Isabelle de Tomaso: her father, Amory Haskell, was a Vice-president of General Motors, and that exposure to the industry formed a passion for automobiles in her at an early age. She raced competitively, including at the 12 Hours of Sebring, but grew frustrated with her limited options in America and moved to Europe to further her motorsport career. There, she met Alejandro, and they married and later co-founded the De Tomaso automobile brand.

“Those Italian iconic (automotive brands), they never talk about the women behind them,” Choi said. “And actually, De Tomaso never talked about it, either. This is part of the respect that we want to pay to history, pay to women and their importance. At the end of the day, if it wasn't for Isabelle, there wouldn't be De Tomaso.”

An automotive brand, founded in romance, pays homage to it and brings it back to life. When we remember and honour these roots, our shared passion for the automobile lives on.