Iris, Doris or Egeria?

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macmadmark

Discussion Starter · Jul 23, 2012

Ok, my car is to be completed mid Aug, for delivery on 31st. I was advised by McL London, that it was likely to have a fully functional Iris, since she was expected to be signed off in July. We are now approaching the end of July, and Iris has not crept out into the daylight yet. Who is going to bet that Iris will actually be alive and well in my car?
Iris is a Greek for Rainbow, so I understand, and so will she yet arise in all shining multicolour glory?
I am beginning to think that with Iris, McLaren bit off too much, and that it is simply not possible to combine all these functions in the same computer, without serious crashes and clashes. I suspect that Iris may never ever shine her light upon us, and that Doris (the sea nymph) will yet have to drown, after swimming around somewhat against the tide.
Out of all this, if Iris is stillborn, will have to rise something new!
I suggest that unless Iris is in fact alive and well, and able to escape the factory in my car next month, Mclaren had better come up with "Egeria" as a stand alone second computer system, not directly linked the the main car computer. They could have done that a long time ago, but have poured umpteeen millions into something that is perhaps not possible?
Egeria is the godess who is advisor and counsellor, so if Iris is actually dead, McLaren needs to give her birth rather soon.
I hope that Iris has been resuscitated, and is alive and well, able to drive from the factory next month.
What do you guys reckon?
Any bets?
Will the Spider and P12 have Iris, or Egeria?

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bruce

· #2 · Jul 23, 2012

Will you have to pay the increased price? IF she turns up

andy c

· #3 · Jul 23, 2012

From what i know Iris is alive and well and updatable,its been running now for a few months in the VP cars to iron out any bugs as this will be the platform for several years and models ,and i presume the 1st october date is because of the introduction of the spyder .

6th element

· #4 · Jul 23, 2012

I will say this one more time, even though it is futile because nobody will care and will instead hammer their keyboards to insert as many

as they possibly can type into their posts.

IRIS is software. Despite the thorough testing, when it is introduced to real world users, we will all find bugs in the first version. I can guarantee it. There is no software system on Earth that is bug-free from the start. What is important is that the underlying design is sound and that they can replicate and correct bugs in a timely manner with updates. After waiting so long for IRIS, this undoubtedly will not be good enough and most owners will

as much as they can type.

Remember, this is yet another innovation from McLaren, just as the MonoCell and ProActive Chassis Control are innovations. They could have just plopped in the same crap GPS unit that Ferrari uses, but they are attempting to do something different and hopefully better. Is innovation required for this part of the car, well everybody's opinion will differ on that. I happen to think yes, but I am also prepared to live through the early niggles when the real world usage uncovers bugs that even the most comprehensive testing cannot possibly discover.

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andy c

· #5 · Jul 23, 2012

6th element said:
I will say this one more time, even though it is futile because nobody will care and will instead hammer their keyboards to insert as many as they possibly can type into their posts.

IRIS is software. Despite the thorough testing, when it is introduced to real world users, we will all find bugs in the first version. I can guarantee it. There is no software system on Earth that is bug-free from the start. What is important is that the underlying design is sound and that they can replicate and correct bugs in a timely manner with updates. After waiting so long for IRIS, this undoubtedly will not be good enough and most owners will as much as they can type.

Remember, this is yet another innovation from McLaren, just as the MonoCell and ProActive Chassis Control are innovations. They could have just plopped in the same crap GPS unit that Ferrari uses, but they are attempting to do something different and hopefully better. Is innovation required for this part of the car, well everybody's opinion will differ on that. I happen to think yes, but I am also prepared to live through the early niggles when the real world usage uncovers bugs that even the most comprehensive testing cannot possibly discover.

Now, warm up your

Jerry

· #6 · Jul 23, 2012

OK, the original question was along the lines of "will Mark have a functioning Iris in his car when it is delivered?". My view is that this is highly unlikely and, unfortunately, they'll only tell you after they've taken your final payment. The information flow as to when your car will finally get a working system will be at best patchy and at worst non- existent.

My apologies if you think I'm being cynical but that is exactly how it has been and I do not see that changing. I was only told of the Iris delays after they had my cheque which was about 3 days before the car should have been delivered. This was in January and Iris was promised in March. March came and went and no signs of Iris, today still no signs of Iris. Communication on this has been truly shocking. The last letter from Mr. Sherrif on this subject was scanned and e-mailed to me by the dealer several weeks after the date on the letter, I've never seen the original. No- one has called me to discuss further as the letter promises.

I'm happy to live with the niggles of being an early adopter and still occasionally manage to laugh and joke about it (I've tollerated rippling paint, detaching seals and plastic strips, horns that rarely work etc). My friends all think I'm mad to put up with so many issues when I've spent so much money (btw, I paid full price for Iris, didn't receive the coffee table book, iPod, hard drive or anything else) but I continue to do so.

I think I'm heading off on a tangent here. Mark, I really hope you do get a working Iris. At this point in time I'd settle for decent communication flow on what I can expect and when.

One final comment, if I were the type to change cars say every twelve months ( which I'm not but many do) then I'd have paid about 5k GBP (I forget the exact price, forgive me if this is slightly off) for something I would never have seen/ owned. Acceptable?

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6th element

· #7 · Jul 23, 2012

Jerry said:
One final comment, if I were the type to change cars say every twelve months ( which I'm not but many do) then I'd have paid about 5k GBP (I forget the exact price, forgive me if this is slightly off) for something I would never have seen/ owned. Acceptable?

If I were the type to change cars every twelve months, I would have never gone near a brand new car from a brand new car company. Seriously. Never ever.

See my post circa June 2011: http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/mclaren-mp4-12c-p11/227-some-us-may-not-mclaren-customers.html

Jerry

· #8 · Jul 23, 2012

I'm very much the "McLaren customer" .... It's why I'm still with them.

bruce

· #9 · Jul 23, 2012

I was - I will not be

dittos

AdmiralMubutu

· #10 · Jul 23, 2012

I won't mind an Iris that requires updates once in a while (when real world issues undoubtedly arise.) What I WILL mind will be having to go to the dealership to get them installed. Many of us here in the US live a considerable distance from the nearest dealer, and visits there are more than just a nuisance. I've heard that one of Iris' alleged features will be that it will connect to my home wifi to download updates. Hopefully this is true and not part of the mythology (Greek tragedy?).

HyperMac954

· #11 · Jul 23, 2012

It's awesome working a whopping 10 miles from the dealership. Get my car washed every week, and catch up on the latest news with the techs.

I fully believe we'll get IRIS in October - given that we have nice fancy letters from McLaren stating that.

HyperMac954

· #12 · Jul 23, 2012

AdmiralMubutu said:
I won't mind an Iris that requires updates once in a while (when real world issues undoubtedly arise.) What I WILL mind will be having to go to the dealership to get them installed. Many of us here in the US live a considerable distance from the nearest dealer, and visits there are more than just a nuisance. I've heard that one of Iris' alleged features will be that it will connect to my home wifi to download updates. Hopefully this is true and not part of the mythology (Greek tragedy?).

My understanding is that software updates will be as you described, but firmware (fuel map, ignition map, etc) will have to be done at the dealership. I'm betting this is because if you screw something up mid-update, you're car is bricked, basically.

andy c

· #13 · Jul 24, 2012

HyperMac954 said:
My understanding is that software updates will be as you described, but firmware (fuel map, ignition map, etc) will have to be done at the dealership. I'm betting this is because if you screw something up mid-update, you're car is bricked, basically.

True,iris updates will be done by bluetooth.

macmadmark

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 24, 2012

All recent London customers at least, and presumably elsewhere, have not had to pay for Iris, and are to get her FOC. Presumably early payers should get refunds. Have you requested one Bruce?.,I just wondered if anyone had any info., but evidently no-one knows anything, so we'll have to wait and see. Obviously I just want the car, never mind if she arrives with Iris now or later. Clearly McLaren are attempting something no-one else has ever achieved or attempted, so it should be well worth the wait, meantime I just need .... the car!

bruce

· #15 · Jul 24, 2012

I did order Iris and did not pay for her (the loose woman). I am told it will be supplied in October 2013 but was told November 2011, march 2012, May 2012, July 2012 so who knows or I am bound to say cares anymore. Great car but some very disappointing parts of ownership.

(sorry 6th)

Chrisb

· #16 · Jul 24, 2012

bruce said:
I did order Iris and did not pay for her (the loose woman). I am told it will be supplied in October 2013 but was told November 2011, march 2012, May 2012, July 2012 so who knows or I am bound to say cares anymore. Great car but some very disappointing parts of ownership. (sorry 6th)

Bruce

Surely you don't mean October 2013

bruce

· #17 · Jul 24, 2012

oops typo what a whalley 2012 but who knows

Squirrel

· #18 · Jul 25, 2012

I'm sure it will be released before October to new cars rolling out of the MPC as those cars will have all hardware changes already in place, so as soon as the software is deemed customer ready it will be introduced.

Will it be available at the end of August on new cars? I think you may be in luck, but be prepared for a few rolling updates on it over the first few months and you won't be disappointed

macmadmark

Discussion Starter · #19 · Jul 25, 2012

Yes Squirrel, I live in hope, and will report back when the time comes!

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