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from my 458. No, not the depriciation. After a 1000 mile weekend I was half-deaf and walking like a old quarterback. It called forth memories of my 911 turbos. In fact I miss them. Especially the turbo s, a man for all seasons with more torque than the Aventador.

I'm happy to step forward now and then to defend the 458. It's easy. But anyone who says it is a daily driver is kidding themselves. At this point I'd happily swap it for a 430 Scud and an M5.

Owners of the above cars, can I expect better from the 12C? I enjoy a certain rawness but am hoping for much more comfort and versatility.
 

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You'll get it in spades.

I've driven a 12C all day and come out fresh as a daisy (in fairness, I don't have similar long-term experience in a 458, to compare to).

However - I drove e39s (540i MSport 6-Speeds) for a decade/300K miles and I can honestly say a long trip in a 12C is actually LESS taxing than that.

...now a day driving at Willow Springs might be different!
 

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6 x 20 minute sessions at a very fast track in the UK with a Mclaren development driver as shotgun using 3 tanks of fuel at 5.4 MPG.Then comfort mode home for 230 miles ,just as comfortable as my Bentley,no kidding its a breeze:)
 

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550 miles with one stop for take away coffee ( we have a portable toilet in the MP12 care of MSO) NO PROBLEM for my wife or the driver.......truly a long distance car that can do raw on track or the public road.

When I tested the 458 the seats came across as very good but I only did two hours. The salesman said there was not a toilet option.
 

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550 miles with one stop for take away coffee ( we have a portable toilet in the MP12 care of MSO) NO PROBLEM for my wife or the driver.......truly a long distance car that can do raw on track or the public road.

When I tested the 458 the seats came across as very good but I only did two hours. The salesman said there was not a toilet option.
You *stopped* for coffee? You mean you didn't opt-in for the MSO espresso machine? :p
 

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It is a comfy car, very quiet, very fast. Even though I am not looking for this kind of car, sounds like you are.
 

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You *stopped* for coffee? You mean you didn't opt-in for the MSO espresso machine? :p
I confess I'm addicted to Costa
 

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No 1K mi drive here but a few months back, my friend with 458 and I did a 300mi. road trip and he swore he'd never take italia for any road trip as oppose to I've done a few more long road trips afterwards. I'd rather take MP4 for a long road trip than my other rides CLS63 and Cayenne Turbo and I'm not kidding.
 

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No 1K mi drive here but a few months back, my friend with 458 and I with MP4 did a 500mi. round trip from LA to Vegas. He swore he'd never take italia for any road trip as oppose to I've done a few more LA-Vegas trips afterwards. I'd rather take MP4 for a long road trip than my other rides CLS63 and Cayenne Turbo and I'm not kidding.
Neither your friend, nor the thread OP probably did not have the race seats? They are the best 458 seat period for comfort. The normal seats are crap, and Daytona and Diamond are just different insert patterns.

1000 mile road trip? Why not drive your Lexus, Bentley, or RR? Or maybe your Denali? :)
 

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Driving to LA from SF on friday, back sunday. Longest I've done roundtrip in the 12C - about 800 miles in 48 hours - I'll let you know. But I have over 8100 miles on the clock, and it is WAY more comfortable than my Lambo or Cayman were, and more comfortable than the X3.
 

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1000KM in 30 hours, longest for me so far. Got back and wife said "you must be exhausted". Not really, I replied, but should have lied as she then put me to work.
 

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Neither your friend, nor the thread OP probably did not have the race seats? They are the best 458 seat period for comfort. The normal seats are crap, and Daytona and Diamond are just different insert patterns.

1000 mile road trip? Why not drive your Lexus, Bentley, or RR? Or maybe your Denali? :)
True, I don't have the race seats. Not that they would help with noise and ride on certain surfaces, but I hear good things. They look cool and save weight too.

Thanks to all for informative replies.
 

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True, I don't have the race seats. Not that they would help with noise and ride on certain surfaces, but I hear good things. They look cool and save weight too.

Thanks to all for informative replies.
Select "Race" mode, and push shock button on steering wheel, this is too harsh a ride for you? Did you get cruise? Most 458's skip this option, mine will not.
 

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Select "Race" mode, and push shock button on steering wheel, this is too harsh a ride for you? Did you get cruise? Most 458's skip this option, mine will not.
That mode feels great chewing over bumps on twisty town roads but at hour 5 one feels more foolish than titillated.

I got cruise, audio, adaptive headlights, and haven't needed lift..yet
 

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That mode feels great chewing over bumps on twisty town roads but at hour 5 one feels more foolish than titillated.

I got cruise, audio, adaptive headlights, and haven't needed lift..yet
For me, I have never liked driving any sports car along straight freeway roads for long stretches, cruise control or not. A sports car isn't designed to travel at a constant 70-75 mph, and it is extremely boring.

An SL63, or SL65 would be a better choice.

Use the 458 for what it is intended, spirited after work and weekend driving, with some track time thrown in now and again.
 

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somewhere, Antony Sheriff is reading this thread and smiling..

You're right, a true Jekyll and Hyde car as they intended, no one else comes even close to accomplishing this. They have raised the bar and continue to!! Who needs more than one car to do differnt jobs when the 12C can do both in spades...
 

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You're right, a true Jekyll and Hyde car as they intended, no one else comes even close to accomplishing this. They have raised the bar and continue to!! Who needs more than one car to do differnt jobs when the 12C can do both in spades...
Who needs more than one car, LOL. Can the 12C haul a boat? Can it take out 2 couples for dinner? Can it haul kids to afterschool sports? Can it go to the grocery store or Home Depot?

You are trying to rationalize something you can't rationalize.

I will always have more than 1 sports car, as do tons of people. Having different types of exotics rocks!
 

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Who needs more than one car, LOL. Can the 12C haul a boat? Can it take out 2 couples for dinner? Can it haul kids to afterschool sports? Can it go to the grocery store or Home Depot?

You are trying to rationalize something you can't rationalize.

I will always have more than 1 sports car, as do tons of people. Having different types of exotics rocks!

As far as I know this forum is called McLaren Life a sports car forum, so who is being rational with dumb comments like that. Good for you that you will hve more than one sports car and I have an SUV for the winters where I live and so what!
 
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