I have to admit, as much as I despise Apple, their privacy policies are second to none.
Hey McLaren - Can you add a 'Kill Switch' to your cars!
.... so my neighbors don't 'kill me', when your cars go into weird electrical gyrations, with random alarm noise!!!
I thought 'Lucas Electronics' died years ago, apparently NOT, they are alive and unwell in McLarens!
I thought 'Lucas Electronics' died years ago, apparently NOT, they are alive and unwell in McLarens!
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The Lamborghini thing isn't for updates, it's for the app that connects to the car.Ok, so that means everyone has to do that? I'm wishing for updates, so I'm also wishing for them to honor my privacy requests. Apple does a decent job of this. I see no reason McLaren couldn't do the same.
You guys are probably right that they may not. But don't ask, dont get.
‘Again, noting stops them from having a setting for that app that asks you to opt in to data collection like apple does. If we don’t ask for that, the odds of us getting it go down.The Lamborghini thing isn't for updates, it's for the app that connects to the car.
Btw does the artura have some license agreement?
In theory, I like @ZombiePhysicist idea of not having to download it right away. Think of the latest iOS update. I never get those day 1 because I know they are going to have a major bug. I let Apple iron them out a bit first. My G82 M4 had OTA updates that did not need to be installed immediately like this, since you had to use your phone has a middle man to do it. That was convenient.
However, I can see what you guys are saying also, and that if it’s implemented, it will probably be pressed right away. I think Tesla works this way, and I absolutely do not want that. I remember reading an article that some guy was messing with his driver seat like crazy. Basically he was burning out the motor they said because he was going back and forth non stop for like 30 minutes. Tesla disabled his seat remotely on the spot. I think that’s absurd.
However, I can see what you guys are saying also, and that if it’s implemented, it will probably be pressed right away. I think Tesla works this way, and I absolutely do not want that. I remember reading an article that some guy was messing with his driver seat like crazy. Basically he was burning out the motor they said because he was going back and forth non stop for like 30 minutes. Tesla disabled his seat remotely on the spot. I think that’s absurd.
There are big advantages for manufacturers to have all their systems on the same release level. We need to stop thinking of these systems as cars, they're networked computer systems.
I prefer a car with LESS tech .... KISS Principle!
Question for you @EMF Audio (McMedics) in regards to pulling the battery terminal or BMS. I know on some other cars, even once you pull the terminal there is still some juice left that can retain info/codes, so we always used to press the brake pedal until the lights didn’t work anymore, and that would usually show us the whole system was dead. Is that the case with McLaren?
For me, it depends on the tech. I don't want to give up seamless shifts, launch control, engine protections, brake steering, traction control, etc, but all I need on the dash is Bluetooth and climate control.I prefer a car with LESS tech .... KISS Principle!
I never use the Navigation, Stereo, Bluetooth, Phone and i have manual seats .... i would prefer manual door handles, door locks and windows.For me, it depends on the tech. I don't want to give up seamless shifts, launch control, engine protections, brake steering, traction control, etc, but all I need on the dash is Bluetooth and climate control.
But you'd keep the rest??😂. It's not possible to run without sophisticated systems anymore because of emissions legislation, now we know that shit is killing us.I never use the Navigation, Stereo, Bluetooth, Phone and i have manual seats .... i would prefer manual door handles, door locks and windows.
I certainly don't want to go back to 'contact breaker points' and carburetors!But you'd keep the rest??😂. It's not possible to run without sophisticated systems anymore because of emissions legislation, now we know that shit is killing us.
The 720s door / window tech is poorly executed ... it rarely works and i have never trusted it!
..... but most of the car is soooo good, i tolerate the BS!
There are definitely some gaps, but for example, the window logic on McLarens is far more complex than on any other car I know of because the window is designed to close behind a solid seal. I appreciate that kind of attention to detail, but if you start thinking through the algorithm required to make it work in every scenario, it's not as simple as it first appears.I certainly don't want to go back to 'contact breaker points' and carburetors!
The 720s door / window tech is poorly executed ... it rarely works and i have never trusted it since the car was new!
..... but most of the car is soooo good, i tolerate the BS!
.... but if it is unreliable after 6+ years, on the 720s, then accept you have failed and go back to something that works!There are definitely some gaps, but for example, the window logic on McLarens is far more complex than on any other car I know of because the window is designed to close behind a solid seal. I appreciate that kind of attention to detail, but if you start thinking through the algorithm required to make it work in every scenario, it's not as simple as it first appears.
EVERY car i have owned over the last 43 years has basically used the same method and it works, without fail .... McLaren takes something that works, make it overly complicated, it fails and they scratch their heads!
I guess its why the UK car industry failed!
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
+1I prefer a car with LESS tech .... KISS Principle!
I prefer a car with LESS tech .... KISS Principle!
I love driving my carbed older cars but hopping into the mclaren with all the tech is soooooo refreshingI certainly don't want to go back to 'contact breaker points' and carburetors!
The 720s door / window tech is poorly executed ... it rarely works and i have never trusted it!
..... but most of the car is soooo good, i tolerate the BS!
I take your point that by now they should have ironed out some of the gremlins, but they're not making it overly complicated, they set out to design a car with fewer compromises than others. This, for me, is what sets them apart and leads to the driving experience they deliver. Your particular problem sounds like a component failure, too, possibly the battery. Any time you have a complex system, it's going to rely on a host of other systems. The window use case is a prime example. If you leave the door open, the car eventually goes to sleep to conserve power, but then when you get in and close the door, there's no power to raise the window, so you have to wait until the system boots, and if the boot sequence isn't quite right the window stays down until you hit the unlock button. The upside is that you get a window that is tightly sealed underneath a solid seal when you're hurtling down a track with your hair on fire..... but if it is unreliable after 6+ years, on the 720s, then accept you have failed and go back to something that works!
EVERY car i have owned over the last 43 years has basically used the same method and it works, without fail .... McLaren takes something that works, make it overly complicated, it fails and they scratch their heads!
I guess its why the UK car industry failed!
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
One of the failures of modern cars is they need too many ECUs because no one can do software worth a damn. So they have a zillion ECUs, with each one having software that's outsourced to some mediocre provider, and which adds to weight, and makes updates overly complex too.I take your point that by now they should have ironed out some of the gremlins, but they're not making it overly complicated, they set out to design a car with fewer compromises than others. This, for me, is what sets them apart and leads to the driving experience they deliver. Your particular problem sounds like a component failure, too, possibly the battery. Any time you have a complex system, it's going to rely on a host of other systems. The window use case is a prime example. If you leave the door open, the car eventually goes to sleep to conserve power, but then when you get in and close the door, there's no power to raise the window, so you have to wait until the system boots, and if the boot sequence isn't quite right the window stays down until you hit the unlock button. The upside is that you get a window that is tightly sealed underneath a solid seal when you're hurtling down a track with your hair on fire.
As far as I know only Tesla has started addressing this issue (and mostly brought on by supply shortages during COVID if I understand it correctly) and has drastically reduced their ECU count and rolled their own software. Making fixes for many of these things quicker and easier, and they run more efficiently and reliably too.
However, to do this, you need people that truly 'get' software.
Sadly, WE the customers, are the beta test sites ..... companies stopped doing extensive beta testing years ago!One of the failures of modern cars is they need too many ECUs because no one can do software worth a damn. So they have a zillion ECUs, with each one having software that's outsourced to some mediocre provider, and which adds to weight, and makes updates overly complex too.
As far as I know only Tesla has started addressing this issue (and mostly brought on by supply shortages during COVID if I understand it correctly) and has drastically reduced their ECU count and rolled their own software. Making fixes for many of these things quicker and easier, and they run more efficiently and reliably too.
However, to do this, you need people that truly 'get' software.
Absolutely. Tesla isn't a car company, it's a battery and software company. You only have to look at the Parrot crap in the 12C, although at that time the hardware was still lacking, it wasn't solely a software issue. Ironically, the saviour might turn out to be AI! lol. Once the machines are designing the software, I think we'll be fine.One of the failures of modern cars is they need too many ECUs because no one can do software worth a damn. So they have a zillion ECUs, with each one having software that's outsourced to some mediocre provider, and which adds to weight, and makes updates overly complex too.
As far as I know only Tesla has started addressing this issue (and mostly brought on by supply shortages during COVID if I understand it correctly) and has drastically reduced their ECU count and rolled their own software. Making fixes for many of these things quicker and easier, and they run more efficiently and reliably too.
However, to do this, you need people that truly 'get' software.
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