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Is this the true spiritual successor to the F1? v-12 central driving position.... https://www.motorauthority.com/news...r-to-boast-v-12-power-and-manual-transmission
Sounds a little old school (V12 NA, manual 'box), but, given his pedigree, and weight target, I'm eager to see it.Is this the true spiritual successor to the F1? v-12 central driving position.... https://www.motorauthority.com/news...r-to-boast-v-12-power-and-manual-transmission
In some (not all) respects it is indeed old-school, but that is the idea: the old school was better than the new school is.Sounds a little old school (V12 NA, manual 'box), but, given his pedigree, and weight target, I'm eager to see it.
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But as you know vaporware is lighter than air ….2200 lbs is insane. The V12 has to weigh around 550lbs (without a tranny) even if it's relatively small displacement, right? The transmission probably weighs, what, say another 250lbs. So say around 800lbs for just engine/transmission. That leaves 1400lbs for the rest. The car is probably 100% carbon fiber at that point. But even then, man, that's tight.
I think the new mazda miata is 2600lbs. It's engine and transmission is say half the weight, that still leaves that tiny car at 2200lbs.
A manual gearbox shouldn't weigh much if any more than 150lbs even if comes with a limited slip diff.2200 lbs is insane. The V12 has to weigh around 550lbs (without a tranny) even if it's relatively small displacement, right? The transmission probably weighs, what, say another 250lbs. So say around 800lbs for just engine/transmission. That leaves 1400lbs for the rest. The car is probably 100% carbon fiber at that point. But even then, man, that's tight.
I think the new mazda miata is 2600lbs. It's engine and transmission is say half the weight, that still leaves that tiny car at 2200lbs.
True, but this is someone with lots of experience and credibility. If they get close, it's going to be something special.But as you know vaporware is lighter than air ….2200 lbs is insane. The V12 has to weigh around 550lbs (without a tranny) even if it's relatively small displacement, right? The transmission probably weighs, what, say another 250lbs. So say around 800lbs for just engine/transmission. That leaves 1400lbs for the rest. The car is probably 100% carbon fiber at that point. But even then, man, that's tight.
I think the new mazda miata is 2600lbs. It's engine and transmission is say half the weight, that still leaves that tiny car at 2200lbs.
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I might become a pariah saying this but.... that was the case about 20 years ago. I'm not sure that's still the case today. The istream manufacturing process hasn't really come to anything and while he has produced a fair number of car concepts, nothing has even come close to fruition. Now I accept that the seemingly endless delays with TVR might have little to nothing to do with GMD but it's the biggest scale project GMD has been involved with and the lack of progres on the TVR doesn't exactly inspire any confidence that GM is going to be able to actually produce any of the mid engine cars shown to the automotive press nevermind meet the claimed specs.True, but this is someone with lots of experience and credibility. If they get close, it's going to be something special.
True, but this is someone with lots of experience and credibility. If they get close, it's going to be something special.
Gordon Murray with Ron Dennis might get something done ……. separated its a dream. Focus on selling books and retirementI might become a pariah saying this but.... that was the case about 20 years ago. I'm not sure that's still the case today. The istream manufacturing process hasn't really come to anything and while he has produced a fair number of car concepts, nothing has even come close to fruition. Now I accept that the seemingly endless delays with TVR might have little to nothing to do with GMD but it's the biggest scale project GMD has been involved with and the lack of progres on the TVR doesn't exactly inspire any confidence that GM is going to be able to actually produce any of the mid engine cars shown to the automotive press nevermind meet the claimed specs.
Ok let's say he gets the engine and transmission down to 650lbs, that still leaves 1550 for the rest of the car. That is still mighty mighty small/tiny, and yet it's a 3 seater!?!? The original F1 was 2,500lbs curb. So shaving another 300lbs with all the advances since then, is within the realm of possibility, but with all the new regulations, I'm not sure it's possible. Perhaps it will be a 'track only' car?A manual gearbox shouldn't weigh much if any more than 150lbs even if comes with a limited slip diff.
imo 2200lbs in a modern road car with a v12 just isn't going to happen. full stop. no matter what GM says.
^ThisAll I can say is, regardless, I'm rooting for him!
All the claimed specs for Gordon's new car are looking feasible.I might become a pariah saying this but.... that was the case about 20 years ago. I'm not sure that's still the case today. The istream manufacturing process hasn't really come to anything and while he has produced a fair number of car concepts, nothing has even come close to fruition. Now I accept that the seemingly endless delays with TVR might have little to nothing to do with GMD but it's the biggest scale project GMD has been involved with and the lack of progres on the TVR doesn't exactly inspire any confidence that GM is going to be able to actually produce any of the mid engine cars shown to the automotive press nevermind meet the claimed specs.
Feasible specs are one thing - do you believe that GMD are going to actually be able to bring this projected car to production?All the claimed specs for Gordon's new car are looking feasible.![]()
Isn't the Valkyrie around 2200 lbs? That's including an electric motor/battery, a large V12, etcOk let's say he gets the engine and transmission down to 650lbs, that still leaves 1550 for the rest of the car. That is still mighty mighty small/tiny, and yet it's a 3 seater!?!? The original F1 was 2,500lbs curb. So shaving another 300lbs with all the advances since then, is within the realm of possibility, but with all the new regulations, I'm not sure it's possible. Perhaps it will be a 'track only' car?
All I can say is, regardless, I'm rooting for him!
That also said, this thing sounds like it's destined to be priced as unobtanium.
I’m not familiar with the Valkyrie weights. But it’s not a 3 seater either. But if it is, that’s a great touchstone!Isn't the Valkyrie around 2200 lbs? That's including an electric motor/battery, a large V12, etc
I meant technically feasible. The most complicated and expensive part of the project, the drive-train, has been confirmed by the suppliers in terms of performance, weight and dimensions. His team have calculated the total weight of all the parts. I don't think there is any question about whether GM knows how to design a chassis or an aerodynamic package. In other words, what he has said he intends to offer he would actually be able to offer.Feasible specs are one thing - do you believe that GMD are going to actually be able to bring this projected car to production?