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New Britain said:
No, because there would be no way of proving that Fallows did not remember every last detail from his previous job and create a green Red Bull from memory alone.
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Haha - you should take up the challenge offered by the experts on F1technical they will quickly convince you the AMR23 is not a copy car (at least any more than normal in F1, unlike the prior Mercedes copy). Fallows is a good hire for Aston as others have said ….

Seems Marko and Christian are not making any formal complaints - or do you have information to the contrary?
 
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“Allison played a key role in the creation of 13 Formula 1 Constructors’ Championship winning cars, encompassing stints with Ferrari, Renault, and since 2017 the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team.
As Technical Director of the Mercedes AMG-Petronas F1 Team since 2017, he had been a key part of the team’s successes and had won a further four Formula One Constructors’ Championships since he joined.“

“Allison played a key role in the creation of 13 Formula 1 Constructors’ Championship winning cars, encompassing stints with Ferrari, Renault, and since 2017 the Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team.

As Technical Director of the Mercedes AMG-Petronas F1 Team since 2017, he had been a key part of the team’s successes and had won a further four Formula One Constructors’ Championships since he joined.”
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James Allison to return to Mercedes F1. . . to save a sinking ship?

Motorsport Italy has reported that James Allison will return to the Brackley based Mercedes F1 team.
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eMcL said:
Haha - you should take up the challenge offered by the experts on F1technical they will quickly convince you the AMR23 is not a copy car (at least any more than normal in F1, unlike the prior Mercedes copy). Fallows is a good hire for Aston as others have said ….

Seems Marko and Christian are not making any formal complaints - or do you have information to the contrary?
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I have no idea whether they are going to make a formal complaint and I don't much care.
My point has been that the two people responsible for the car, Stroll and Fallows, are a couple of shifty characters. :)
 
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New Britain said:
I have no idea whether they are going to make a formal complaint and I don't much care.
My point has been that the two people responsible for the car, Stroll and Fallows, are a couple of shifty characters. :)
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Oh well yes - to some extent they all are, perhaps some are better at hiding their talent than others…..😮
 
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Their talent at shiftiness?
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Yes.
When I read posts I tend to discount emotive words and focus on what I consider to be the details. That caused me to skip over your expressions of dislike or discomfort of the F1 managers personalities. For me they all seem to be similar - some get more press interest. But I don’t know any of them personally.
 
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Yes.
When I read posts I tend to discount emotive words and focus on what I consider to be the details. That caused me to skip over your expressions of dislike or discomfort of the F1 managers personalities. For me they all seem to be similar - some get more press interest. But I don’t know any of them personally.
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Some have been better, and some have been worse, than average. :)
 
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eMcL said:
Yes.
When I read posts I tend to discount emotive words and focus on what I consider to be the details. That caused me to skip over your expressions of dislike or discomfort of the F1 managers personalities. For me they all seem to be similar - some get more press interest. But I don’t know any of them personally.
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As in most activities that involve a limited number of competitors in which there are formal rules regulated by outsiders, there are unwritten rules that matter more to the competitors. When Ken Tyrrell was caught running a blatantly illegal car, most of the teams made no moral judgments because Ken was a good guy whose team hadn't won anything for years anyway and at various times all the teams had tried something or other that wasn't legal.
Ferrari were running their illegal flexible floor back in 2007; when McLaren found out the details they could have waited until after the next race, protested the car, and Ferrari would have got no points. Instead McLaren submitted a formal request to the FIA to run the same device, which was a more subtle way of getting the device banned and annoying Ferrari. McLaren 'stole' from Williams both Honda as the best engine supplier and Adrian Newey and Paddy Lowe as great engineers, yet Frank and Ron remained close friends until Frank passed away.
My impression is that, although the generally unpleasant social environment of this millennium might have forced it anyhow, the change in inter-team dynamics has been more caused by a few especially objectionable people such as Jean Todt, Flavio Briatore, and Christian Horner, none of whom exactly ingratiated himself with the other team bosses. Winning a lot tends to generate jealousy, but everybody liked Frank, Ron did not have many pit-lane enemies (only Todt and Briatore), and I think that Wolff gets along with everyone except Horner.
 
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Wow I was not aware of that. That changes my opinion of the situation greatly. Has Mclaren tried to make any “star” hires since?

Just read this interview. If his scruples aren’t up to par his management skills certainly are Newey’s lack of "technical arrogance" in F1 a great strength, says Fallows
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And no sooner should you ask but...
Ferrari's Head of Vehicle Concept, David Sanchez, has resigned; rumour has it that he is coming back to the good guys:

David Sanchez resigns from Ferrari; Chuck Leclerc not happy about it
 
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Norris makes painful admission on McLaren engine change
“Despite swapping in an entirely new engine, Norris has not incurred a grid penalty as he remains within his permitted limit of components for the season.
However, with 21 races remaining, and drivers permitted to use only three internal combustion engines, turbochargers, MGU-H and MGU-K units, along with eight exhausts, it is likely that Norris will incur grid penalties for excessive component usage as the season wears on.
Norris expecting 'very close' midfield battle
After ending FP1 in 20th place, Norris improved to 12th in FP2, and the Briton noted the congested nature of the midfield in Jeddah.
"I didn’t do my [flying] lap in FP1, but it's close," said Norris.
"The split between me and last place was two-tenths [in FP2], so if I had made a little mistake, it's last place, so it's very close, all the midfield.
"Alpine are up the road on the whole midfield, so they've vaulted to the front, and even Williams seem a lot quicker than us too.
"It feels alright, to be honest, the car. Struggling quite a bit with overall balance, but just doing the best with what we've got."
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Norris makes painful admission on McLaren engine change

After struggling with a pneumatic issue during the Bahrain Grand Prix, Lando Norris has been forced to take on an entirely new power unit for the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.
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Practice 3 McLaren 😇
Results (Classification):
  1. Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing – 1:28.485
  2. Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing +0.613
  3. Fernando Alonso Aston Martin +0.998
  4. Lance Stroll Aston Martin +1.024
  5. Lewis Hamilton Mercedes +1.083
  6. Charles Leclerc Scuderia Ferrari +1.103
  7. Lando Norris McLaren +1.205
  8. Oscar Piastri McLaren +1.213
  9. Pierre Gasly Alpine +1.216
  10. Carlos Sainz Scuderia Ferrari +1.276
  11. George Russell Mercedes +1.326
  12. Zhou Guanyu Alfa Romeo +1.432
  13. Nico Hulkenberg Haas +1.448
  14. Esteban Ocon Alpine +1.468
  15. Alex Albon Williams Racing +1.498
  16. Logan Sargeant Williams Racing +1.550
  17. Kevin Magnussen Haas +1.646
  18. Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo +1.832
  19. Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri +2.312
  20. Nyck de Vries AlphaTauri
  21. NChttps://formulaspy.com/f1/fp3-third-practice-results-2023-saudi-arabian-grand-prix-81644
 
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ClaDriverTimeGapkm/h
1Sergio PerezRed Bull RB191'28.265251.814
2Fernando AlonsoAston Martin AMR231'28.7300.465250.494
3George RussellMercedes W141'28.8570.592250.136
4Carlos SainzFerrari SF-231'28.9310.666249.928
5Lance StrollAston Martin AMR231'28.9450.680249.889
6Esoban OconAlpine A5231'29.0780.813249.516
7Lewis HamiltonMercedes W141'29.2230.958249.110
8Oscar PiastriMcLaren MCL601'29.2430.978249.054
9Pierre GaslyAlpine A5231'29.3571.092248.737
10Nico HulkenbergHaas VF-231'29.4511.186248.475
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Zhou Guanyu		Alfa Romeo C431'29.4611.196248.447
12Charles LeclercFerrari SF-231'28.4200.155251.372
13Kevin Magnussen Haas VF-231'29.5171.252248.292
14Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo C431'29.6681.403247.874
15Max VerstappenRed Bull RB191'49.95321.688202.144
16Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri AT041'29.9391.674247.127
17Alex AlbonWilliams FW451'29.9941.729246.976
18Nyck de VriesAlphaTauri AT041'30.2441.979246.292
19Lando NorrisMcLaren MCL601'30.4472.182245.739
20Logan SargeantWilliams FW452'08.51040.245172.954
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