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Yes it was complicated by the expectation that there was going to be a break in the weather. And the problem with the safety car is/was that it could not go fast enough to allow the race cars to ‘dry’ the track enough to improve visibility for racing.
I would disagree that it was wishful thinking. It was cynicism. As soon as it was announced that the 3-hour 'race clock' had started, and therefore there was no chance that the race would be postponed until Monday or later in the year, it was, if I may say so, obvious that they would be bringing the cars back out to get the two 'race laps' in the books in order to be able to declare that the event was officially held and all contracts were fulfilled. If by some miracle the clouds were to part and a partial race could be run, that would be nice, but it was not the primary motivation for sending them back out. The rivers across Eau Rouge could have been a foot deep and they would still have sent them out.

Jean Todt, as far as I can see, couldn't care less about motor racing - a bit ironic considering that the bulk of his career and all his reputation and wealth were based in motor racing. Now he's just another politician enjoying networking and having people kiss his ass, and trying to burnish his legacy by talking about road safety and eliminating the internal combustion engine.

It cannot be that difficult for the FIA to comb through the Sporting Code and Regs, identify their flaws, anomalies, and perversities, and try to resolve them, rather than to wait until the world sees the FIA provoking yet another giant face-palm. All it would take would be a bit of humility and some genuine interest in the sport - both of which Jean Todt completely lacks.
 

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@New Britain said
“The rivers across Eau Rouge could have been a foot deep and they would still have sent them out.”
Yes I’m reminded of Ecclestone ….
and now
 

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“The rivers across Eau Rouge could have been a foot deep and they would still have sent them out.”
Yes I’m reminded of Ecclestone ….
and now
Easy for Bernie to say - the last time that he himself raced in such conditions was...never!

I have never race in those cars, of course, but even in other cars you need to experience it to appreciate how ludicrous it is to hold a race in such conditions. The TV cameras are quite misleading.
All you can see ahead is a massive cloud of spray and, maybe, a fog light at an indeterminate point. You have no way of knowing whether there is one car ahead or two, at what speed it may be going, exactly where on the track it is, or in what direction it may be going. At 120 mph you're traveling 88 feet every half second, your brakes may be stone-cold, and the tyre grip level is way below normal. Did I mention that you can aquaplane?
Beyond the fact that you cannot see whether the track is clear, we have the fact that you cannot actually see the track layout itself. You're straining your brain to maximise your peripheral vision, using the sides of the track to try to figure out exactly where you are and where you should brake. Think of the thickest fog you've been in, and then imagine racing in it at 180 mph up the Kemmel Straight. It's just stupid.

Bernie is welcome to pontificate from his sofa in Brazil, but I think we learned a while ago that often his dismissive remarks intended to demonstrate that, if only he were still running the show, things would be different are just hot air.
 

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Kimi Raikkonen to retire from Formula 1 at the end of 2021

Kimi Raikkonen has announced he will hang up his helmet and gloves and call time on an illustrious Formula 1 career at the end of the season…

The Finn, who won the world title in 2007 and will be 42 at the end of the season, made his debut in the 2001 Australian Grand Prix with Sauber. He returned to the outfit that became Alfa Romeo, with whom his deal expires at the end of this season, for 2019.

Alfa Romeo have yet to confirm their plans for 2021 with both seats open, and on the eve of the returning Dutch Grand Prix at Zandvoort, Raikkonen revealed 2021 would be his swansong.

“This is it,” he said on Instagram. “This will be my last season in Formula 1. This is a decision I did during last winter. It was not an easy decision but after this season it is time for new things.
 

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If Williams are looking for a driver next year, that could very well mean Russell is out at Williams. Of course, could be Latifi but that's a less fun speculation.

I think most of us would be astonished if Russell were not driving the Mercedes next year. For at least the last two seasons, Bottas has been working on one-year contracts; last week he said that he wants his next contract to be multi-year. If that isn't a signal that he is looking for a new seat, I don't know what would be.

Russell is very talented, although whether he is at the Leclerc/Norris level remains to be seen. Regardless of his talent, however, he comes across as an arrogant little shit, which is why I find him probably the most dislikeable driver now on the grid.
 

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I think most of us would be astonished if Russell were not driving the Mercedes next year. For at least the last two seasons, Bottas has been working on one-year contracts; last week he said that he wants his next contract to be multi-year. If that isn't a signal that he is looking for a new seat, I don't know what would be.

Russell is very talented, although whether he is at the Leclerc/Norris level remains to be seen. Regardless of his talent, however, he comes across as an arrogant little shit, which is why I find him probably the most dislikeable driver now on the grid.
LOL. With Verstappen in the mix, every other driver looks humble and demure!
 

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Russell is very talented, although whether he is at the Leclerc/Norris level remains to be seen. Regardless of his talent, however, he comes across as an arrogant little shit, which is why I find him probably the most dislikeable driver now on the grid.
Really? I like him, and he's already proved that he is exceptionally fast in a Mercedes, on his first try. Next year is going to be interesting.
 

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LOL. With Verstappen in the mix, every other driver looks humble and demure!
I'd have to disagree on that. Verstappen is an aggressive driver (although these days usually on the right side of the line, unlike in his first 2½ seasons when he was often on the wrong side of the line), but I don't see him as being arrogant. When speaking he is very blunt, but all of my Dutch friends are the same - for them it is normal.
 

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Really? I like him, and he's already proved that he is exceptionally fast in a Mercedes, on his first try. Next year is going to be interesting.
Being based in the UK, I probably read more about and hear more from Russell than US-based people do. Certainly for the last year, and I'd say even heading into his second season 18 months ago, it was clear that Russell was aggrieved that he was not in the second Merc seat.
Okay, it's natural to want that, but to convey a sense of injustice at the age of 23 when already one is being paid a huge sum of money to have a dream job is simply the wrong attitude to have. One sees none of it in Leclerc or Norris.
'I'm being paid only a million dollars a year and I have to drive a Williams Formula One car' - poor George, we really feel for you!
 

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“ 2021 FIA Formula 1 Dutch Grand Prix, Kimi Räikkönen has tested positive for COVID-19. In accordance with COVID-19 protocols he will take no further part in this Event.”
 

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Full Q1, Q2 and Q3 results from qualifying at the Dutch Grand Prix, Round 13 of the 2021 Formula 1 world championship.
2021 F1 DUTCH GRAND PRIX - QUALIFYING RESULTS
POS.DRIVERNAT.TEAMQ1Q2Q3
1Max VerstappenNEDRed Bull Racing1m10.036s1m09.071s1m08.885s
2Lewis HamiltonGBRMercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team1m10.114s1m09.726s1m08.923s
3Valtteri BottasFINMercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team1m10.219s1m09.769s1m09.386s
4Pierre GaslyFRAScuderia AlphaTauri Honda1m10.274s1m09.541s1m09.478s
5Charles LeclercMONScuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow1m09.829s1m09.437s1m09.527s
6Carlos SainzESPScuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow1m10.022s1m09.870s1m09.537s
7Antonio GiovinazziITAAlfa Romeo Racing Orlen1m10.050s1m10.033s1m09.590s
8Esteban OconFRAAlpine F1 Team1m10.179s1m09.919s1m09.933s
9Fernando AlonsoESPAlpine F1 Team1m10.435s1m10.020s1m09.956s
10Daniel RicciardoAUSMcLaren F1 Team1m10.255s1m09.865s1m10.166s
11George RussellGBRWilliams Racing1m10.382s1m10.332s
12Lance StrollCANAston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team1m10.438s1m10.367s
13Lando NorrisGBRMcLaren F1 Team1m10.489s1m10.406s
14Nicholas LatifiCANWilliams Racing1m10.093s1m11.161s
15Yuki TsunodaJPNScuderia AlphaTauri Honda1m10.462s1m11.314s
16Sergio PerezMEXRed Bull Racing1m10.530s
17Sebastian VettelGERAston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team1m10.731s
18Robert KubicaPOLAlfa Romeo Racing Orlen1m11.301s
19**** SchumacherGERUralkali Haas F1 Team1m11.387s
20Nikita MazepinRUSUralkali Haas F1 Team1m11.875s


• Daniel Ricciardo out-qualifies Lando Norris for the second straight race.
• Norris fails to reach Q3 for the first time this season.
 

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2021 FIA Formula 1 Dutch Grand Prix – Race
1 Max Verstappen Red Bull/Honda 72 1:30'05.395
2 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 72 1:30'26.327 20.932
3 Valtteri Bottas Mercedes 72 1:31'01.855 56.460
4 Pierre Gasly AlphaTauri/Honda 71 1:30'17.183 1 lap /11.788
5 Charles Leclerc Ferrari 71 1:30'22.175 1 lap /16.780
6 Fernando Alonso Alpine/Renault 71 1:30'50.864 1 lap /45.469
7 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 71 1:30'52.896 1 lap /47.501
8 Sergio Pérez Red Bull/Honda 71 1:30'53.479 1 lap /48.084
9 Esteban Ocon Alpine/Renault 71 1:30'54.465 1 lap /49.070
10 Lando Norris McLaren/Mercedes 71 1:30'57.725 1 lap /52.330
11 Daniel Ricciardo McLaren/Mercedes 71 1:31'10.322 1 lap /1'04.927
12 Lance Stroll Aston Martin/Mercedes 70 1:30'22.717 2 laps /17.322
13 Sebastian Vettel Aston Martin/Mercedes 70 1:30'24.941 2 laps /19.546
14 Anotnio Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 70 1:30'33.172 2 laps /27.777
15 Robert Kubica Alfa Romeo/Ferrari 70 1:31'05.853 2 laps /1'00.458
16 Nicholas Latifi Williams/Mercedes 70 1:31'07.745 2 laps /1'02.350
17 George Russell Williams/Mercedes 69 1:29'55.249 3 laps
18 **** Schumacher Haas/Ferrari 69 1:31'08.196 3 laps /1'02.801
Yuki Tsunoda AlphaTauri/Honda 48 1:02'36.678 Transmission
Nikita Mazepin Haas/Ferrari 41 54'07.352 Hydraulics

2021 Constructor Standings

2021 Driver Standings

 

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Being based in the UK, I probably read more about and hear more from Russell than US-based people do. Certainly for the last year, and I'd say even heading into his second season 18 months ago, it was clear that Russell was aggrieved that he was not in the second Merc seat.
Okay, it's natural to want that, but to convey a sense of injustice at the age of 23 when already one is being paid a huge sum of money to have a dream job is simply the wrong attitude to have. One sees none of it in Leclerc or Norris.
'I'm being paid only a million dollars a year and I have to drive a Williams Formula One car' - poor George, we really feel for you!
You probably do see more of him. My take is that he's just impatient.
 

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F1 Italian GP PST

Sep 105:25 AMPractice 1ESPNU
Sep 108:55 AMPractice 2ESPN
Sep 112:55 AMPractice 3ESPN2
Sep 117:25 AMQualifyingESPN2
Sep 125:55 AMRACEESPN2
 

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Hamilton: Verstappen’s ‘rocket’ getaway shows Honda’s gains

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Lewis Hamilton says Max Verstappen’s getaway at Formula 1’s Dutch Grand Prix highlights the gains Honda has made with its power unit.

Honda, ahead of its impending exit at the end of the season, accelerated development of an upgraded power unit that was due for 2022, instead pushing ahead with its introduction in 2021.

Mercedes and Red Bull are separated by only 12 points in the Constructors’ Championship, in Mercedes’ favour, but Red Bull has taken eight wins to Mercedes’ four.

Verstappen leapt clear at the start of his home race at Zandvoort, comfortably opening a buffer, and went on to keep Hamilton at bay to claim victory.

“He was a rocket off the start,” said Hamilton. “He was gone. Literally nothing we could do to answer that.

“They’ve made a big, big step forward this year with their engine.

“You saw it last year, they weren’t the greatest with starts and I think they obviously have improved their power, just the whole power unit’s massively better this year on all aspects for them.

“Naturally [that helps] their driveability and their starts… they’re the quickest starters this year overall.

“So, we’ve got some work to do in lots of different areas.”

Hamilton added his view that Red Bull have “definitely improved their car with some sort of upgrade in the last race, which we didn’t obviously get to see the true pace of it,” pointing to the rain-hit Belgian GP weekend.

However, he expressed hope that Mercedes can strike back in Italy this weekend.

“We will be on lower downforce, and maybe we can be closer there, maybe,” he said. “But… yeah, it’s going to be tough.”
 

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Alfa Romeo announce Valtteri Bottas to join the team in 2022 on multi-year deal
Valtteri Bottas will join forces with former boss Fred Vasseur at Alfa Romeo from next season, after signing a multi-year deal with the Swiss team.

 
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