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Well signing early with contract escape clauses if there was lack of car performance may be ok. Also driver salaries will not be capped. Would not be surprised if Honda is also contributing to Verstappen’s remuneration.
My guess Verstappen would have a mid $20M F1 salary now. And would earn additional from advertising.

 

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Good interview with Peter Wright. The one overtaking problem neither he nor Windsor touched on is that nowadays not only are the cars hyper-sensitive to the disturbed air generated by the car ahead, they are also designed specifically to create the maximum possible disturbed air for the car behind.
 

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A question for veteran F1 race attendees: A couple of family members and myself plan to attend one of the F1 races (our first time) in 2020, probably in the second half of the year. I'm looking for suggestions as to which venue to choose and whether to opt for pit passes, etc. (e.g., with McLaren).

Which races do you feel offer the best spectator experience?

What are the best deals for getting an upgraded experience (e.g., pit access)?
 

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A question for veteran F1 race attendees: A couple of family members and myself plan to attend one of the F1 races (our first time) in 2020, probably in the second half of the year. I'm looking for suggestions as to which venue to choose and whether to opt for pit passes, etc. (e.g., with McLaren).

Which races do you feel offer the best spectator experience?

What are the best deals for getting an upgraded experience (e.g., pit access)?
Sir,

I have not replied to your question (but presumed that others would) because, although I attended my first F1 event in 1974 and have been going to other races since before then, these days I would never go to an F1 race.
The crowds, the traffic, the weather, the bad food - none of that exactly appeals. For me the main problem, however, is that at a "road race" you only see a small fraction of the entire circuit. Overtaking in F1 is rare enough as it is, but if your seat location means that you won't be able to see 80% of the overtakes that do occur, and at the same time you cannot see what is happening in the pits where, in the current formula, so many of the crucial moves take place, the question one asks oneself is, "Why again did I come here, instead of getting a 10x better experience at home for free?"

Fwiw, I would suggest a richer experience would be available at a 24-hour sports car race, where you can go into the pits during the race, talk with the drivers, be around true fans rather than the fair-weather types, and soak up a far nicer, more honest atmosphere. The Nurburgring 24 Hours would be best, but the Spa 24 is also excellent. Maybe Daytona 24 if you like sand and swamps.
 

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Sir,

I have not replied to your question (but presumed that others would) because, although I attended my first F1 event in 1974 and have been going to other races since before then, these days I would never go to an F1 race.
The crowds, the traffic, the weather, the bad food - none of that exactly appeals. For me the main problem, however, is that at a "road race" you only see a small fraction of the entire circuit. Overtaking in F1 is rare enough as it is, but if your seat location means that you won't be able to see 80% of the overtakes that do occur, and at the same time you cannot see what is happening in the pits where, in the current formula, so many of the crucial moves take place, the question one asks oneself is, "Why again did I come here, instead of getting a 10x better experience at home for free?"

Fwiw, I would suggest a richer experience would be available at a 24-hour sports car race, where you can go into the pits during the race, talk with the drivers, be around true fans rather than the fair-weather types, and soak up a far nicer, more honest atmosphere. The Nurburgring 24 Hours would be best, but the Spa 24 is also excellent. Maybe Daytona 24 if you like sand and swamps.
Yes I agree with your points. However McLaren does offer a more comfortable experience now with some modern touches—- incl TV screens
 

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Yes, better than standing on a hill in the rain (but how much again does one of these tickets cost?). Still, good luck chatting with a driver or getting into the live paddock during the race and, unless you're travelling by 'copter, good luck getting to and from. :)
 

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Sir,

I have not replied to your question (but presumed that others would) because, although I attended my first F1 event in 1974 and have been going to other races since before then, these days I would never go to an F1 race.
The crowds, the traffic, the weather, the bad food - none of that exactly appeals. For me the main problem, however, is that at a "road race" you only see a small fraction of the entire circuit. Overtaking in F1 is rare enough as it is, but if your seat location means that you won't be able to see 80% of the overtakes that do occur, and at the same time you cannot see what is happening in the pits where, in the current formula, so many of the crucial moves take place, the question one asks oneself is, "Why again did I come here, instead of getting a 10x better experience at home for free?"

Fwiw, I would suggest a richer experience would be available at a 24-hour sports car race, where you can go into the pits during the race, talk with the drivers, be around true fans rather than the fair-weather types, and soak up a far nicer, more honest atmosphere. The Nurburgring 24 Hours would be best, but the Spa 24 is also excellent. Maybe Daytona 24 if you like sand and swamps.
There is truth in this, especially if you have experienced the spectacle live a few times. But especially back with the NA motors, nothing compared to that sound. Especially if you could be at start/finish when all those mechanical dragons launched at once.
 

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Sir,

I have not replied to your question (but presumed that others would) because, although I attended my first F1 event in 1974 and have been going to other races since before then, these days I would never go to an F1 race.
The crowds, the traffic, the weather, the bad food - none of that exactly appeals. For me the main problem, however, is that at a "road race" you only see a small fraction of the entire circuit. Overtaking in F1 is rare enough as it is, but if your seat location means that you won't be able to see 80% of the overtakes that do occur, and at the same time you cannot see what is happening in the pits where, in the current formula, so many of the crucial moves take place, the question one asks oneself is, "Why again did I come here, instead of getting a 10x better experience at home for free?"

Fwiw, I would suggest a richer experience would be available at a 24-hour sports car race, where you can go into the pits during the race, talk with the drivers, be around true fans rather than the fair-weather types, and soak up a far nicer, more honest atmosphere. The Nurburgring 24 Hours would be best, but the Spa 24 is also excellent. Maybe Daytona 24 if you like sand and swamps.
There is truth in this, especially if you have experienced the spectacle live a few times. But especially back with the NA motors, nothing compared to that sound. Especially if you could be at start/finish when all those mechanical dragons launched at once.

I appreciate the limitations of watching a road race on site (not to mention issues of crowds and traffic, etc.), but nevertheless, attending a F1 race in person - at least this once - is our goal. Plus, we will get to combine the race attendance with some local tourism, etc., so the trip will not be all bad ;)

I do have first-hand knowledge of the contrast between watching yacht races on TV vs. on the water (or land nearby). There is no question that TV coverage - especially aided by modern technology - gives the viewer a far better perspective of such events. Yet, watching say the start or finish of the Sydney-Hobart yacht race on the water nearby the racers, or watching the J-Boats race off Newport from the water, or watching the America's Cup races from the dock or on the water in San Francisco is a totally different and in many ways far more engaging and exciting experience than watching TV coverage in couch-potato mode.


So the question remains, given our perhaps foolhardy goal of attending a F1 race in person, which venue(s) are likely to offer the best experience, and what options (pit passes or whatever) are worthwhile to enhance the experience?
 

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A question for veteran F1 race attendees: A couple of family members and myself plan to attend one of the F1 races (our first time) in 2020, probably in the second half of the year. I'm looking for suggestions as to which venue to choose and whether to opt for pit passes, etc. (e.g., with McLaren).

Which races do you feel offer the best spectator experience?

What are the best deals for getting an upgraded experience (e.g., pit access)?
Go. You won't regret it.

The sounds, the experience of watching the car's acceleration and braking are visceral. Find a corner that has a view of the braking, turning then accelerating if you can.

You will never get that feeling on tv. Bring some headphones to catch the commentary and find a location in front of a screen so you can catch team strategies and other information. Pit passes are good to get when you go for the first time but wouldn't get one after that.
 

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Breaking news: billionaire Stroll takes major stake in Aston Martin
Canadian businessman secures 16.7% stake in British car maker; Racing Point F1 team to be rebranded as Aston Martin

 

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Breaking news: billionaire Stroll takes major stake in Aston Martin
Canadian businessman secures 16.7% stake in British car maker; Racing Point F1 team to be rebranded as Aston Martin

As part of the deal they are forcing the chair of the board, Penny Hughes, to resign. She's just a figurehead.
Why don't they get rid of Palmer?
 

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One at a time perhaps? ;)
Maybe, but if I were trying to rescue a failing circus and needed to reassure its customers, investors and suppliers, I wouldn't start by keeping Bozo the Clown in charge. (Although I admit he might be popular with the monkeys.)
 

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The FIA Motorsport World Council at a meeting in Cologne approved the calendar of the Formula 1 World Cup for 2020. As previously assumed, the number of stages in it was a record in the history of the tournament: the participants of the championship will have to start in 22 races.

The season will begin in Australia on March 15th and end in Abu Dhabi on November 29th. The Grand Prix of the Netherlands will return to the calendar, which will take the race track in Zandvoort - plus for the first time in history, the Grand Prix of Vietnam will take place, the arena of which will be the new highway in Hanoi.
 

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Both stages mentioned above will take place in spring - in connection with it, the race in Baku, which this year was held in April, was postponed to June. The Russian Grand Prix, like this season, will be held in late September, a week after the race in Singapore and two weeks before the stage in Japan.

The appearance in the calendar of two new stages with an increase in the number of races by only one signals the loss of one of the Grand Prix that took place this year. The German race became superfluous: Formula 1 will not come to Hockenheim next season.

At the meeting of the council, the schedule of pre-season tests was also approved. The first series of races will take place at the circuit in Barcelona from February 19 to 21, the second - from February 26 to 28.

It is known that the subject of discussion was also a number of changes to the sports regulations of the championship (experts suggest that it could be a question of qualifying races that have been actively discussed recently). However, no decisions were made on these issues - later, members of the council must decide the fate of innovations using remote voting.
 

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Yea I suppose I'm jump the gun a bit. There is no way I see the teams circling back to China at the end of the season. I also don't see them interrupting the scheduled breaks so I'm going with Cancelled.
 
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