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EVO: Ferrari 458 Italia vs Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 vs McLaren MP4-12C





So, here we go. I know its too big, this and that, but I'm too much of a newbie when it comes to using the forums to make it any better. Been trying with tumbnails, but with no luck.
 

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Thanks Zonda,any chance of posting the script as large as the covering page please:)
 

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Damn, was trying to get those tumbnails to work, but with no success.
 

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Thank you, a great read. It almost sounds like they never put the MP4-12C in track mode, and it CERTAINLY sounds like they didn't turn the traction control off. Between that and the steel brakes, there should be no actual production car that can keep up in the bends with the McLaren. I have heard, though, that drivers in the McLaren improve significantly in being able to push after more and more seat time. Perhaps that is an issue here
 

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I'm sure it's a great car, one of the best on sale currently. But faster than a MP4-12c on the open road? I highly highly doubt that, that should be the McLaren's strong point
 

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Weight of 3273 seems low for Ferrari. It's a nervous car, fun YES but faster than a 12C? Mathematically no, not if the journalists push them.
 

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I have to agree with this... The more I drive my 12c the faster it gets... I think I found the limit of the 458 on the road within a few months... It was without doubt a huge step over the 430 and therefore is a fantastic car but it was much easier to get the thing to run wide and indeed getting a bit playful much much sooner...whilst I haven't driven my 12c quite as much as the 458 yet, I don't feel that I am yet close to its limits... Most of the time spent in track mode and yet still not wheel spin out of corners or tail happy ness... The extraordinary thing is the faster you go the hotter it gets and the better it gets... I thought the standard brakes would get a little worse as we went faster for longer but not at all.. More feel and more power it seems.. The car is also teaching me how to drive better it seems.... You can so feel how it settles under throttle and just bites... the other thing which I have found extraordinary is driving the thing at say 7/10ths... It just flows. You can make extremely rapid progress without upsetting the missus quite so much! the 458 was also very good at that, but this does seem better... Think mostly due to steering feel and ride quality, both of which are good on the fezza but the mclaren is better particularly the steering which is light years better.. You can therefore forget the little niggles that we have all had I guess...
Interestingly I dropped in on the local service centre yesterday... Brand new aventador there totally out of action, stuck in fifth gear... Needs totally new box... Now that puts a few electrical gremlins and the lack of sat nav in perspective... Clearly violent and indeed combustible gear shifts!
The only issue that I have with the mclaren is its desirability for those other than the likes of us.. I personally love the way it looks and more so cos I know that it's awesome to drive... But for those who perhaps would buy this type of car for other reasons mclaren probably haven't got it right yet... You could argue that that is not who they are aiming at which is true, but perhaps a little more flamboyance to go with the extraordinary execution of function wouldn't go amiss
 

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Great article but they are retarded if they think we will believe that a regular guy in a F458 can keep up with a Pro Driver in a 12C!:confused:
 
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