Any specific thing you want to know ?http://www.sportauto.de/vergleichstest/test-doerr-mclaren-mp4-12c-clubsport-gegen-gt3-rennwagen-gegen-strassenauto-6554418.html
does anyone from Germany have any further information ?
pics ? etc...
is 0.5 s a lap faster than the standard factory testcar around any given track, as long as a pro racedriver drives it in the dry conditions and not let h von s drive it!Personally, I don't think the performance gain is worth the money.
0.7s at Hockenheim is not too shaby, but I would mostly write this off to the better tires (trofeo r).
We can further discuss in detail at the ring event if you like.
As for warranty, you would have to ask. IMO even if Doerr Motorsport is an official McLaren dealership, I don't see how the modifications would not (at least partially) void the warranty.
LSD = 12'500€
Full Cage (power coated, including saddler work) = 14'900€
Suspension Optimization = 2250€
Set of Recaro Pole Position (leather/alcantara) = 4400€
So full conversion w/o trofeo r's at around ~35K€.
any specific thing you want to know ?
The car tested in sportauto had the full roll cage, recaro pole position, 6-pt harness, a mechanical limited slip differential (drexler if i remember correctly) plus pirelli trofeo tires.
thank god for a bloody slippy diffthe car is faster at the hockenheim short by 0.7 sec
but it is a customer tuned car vs factory press car (std)
but what about the lsd ? Is it truly useful?, the car was developped without.
Which speaks volumes about what the car needs to be taken to the track or to a business meeting.That sounds like a shit load of money for minimal gains, as they say whatever floats your boat. Cheers....??
Interesting point .but what about the brake steer with a lsd ?
To me the fact it isn't on the P1 still seems they don't feel they need it for the application, vs a lack of development competency. Maybe it would provide better feel, but if it adds weight and doesn't improve the lap time, I doubt it fits their credo.Interesting point .
I know the new Porsches ( and I think Ferrari ) basically have a mechanical diff with torque vectoring ( a form of brake steer ) . However they have it with the diff being controlled electronically and it's a factory fitment , giving the best of both worlds IMO . Mac need to catch up here , sad to hear the p1 is also diff less .
And that , my friend , right there , in a nutshell , perfectly illustrates why we will NEVER be as good as Ferrari or Porsche in the eyes of the press and majority of car enthusiasts .To me the fact it isn't on the P1 still seems they don't feel they need it for the application, vs a lack of development competency. Maybe it would provide better feel, but if it adds weight and doesn't improve the lap time, I doubt it fits their credo.
Oh dear, I said feel but I didn't say anything about fun! The 12C is the most fun car I've ever driven.And that , my friend , right there , in a nutshell , perfectly illustrates why we will NEVER be as good as Ferrari or Porsche in the eyes of the press and majority of car enthusiasts .
For them " feel " and " fun " mean at least as much if not more than laptimes alone , Mclaren need to be able to ( and could easily ) do both to win in the end . A road car is not just a race car .
I even dispute it doesnt improve the laptime ( with tc disabled ) . f1 cars with brake steer had it in CONJUNCTION with a slippy . Cant we have the option at least ?