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We took advantage of less traffic, time on our hands and great weather to put the top down and cruise around like these cars are meant for.

But yeah the idea that all the people who have just lost their livelihood and face ruin and doom would have to feel, I don’t even have the words, seeing us out there acting like carefree millionaires.

Told a buddy today that I might drive our 2003 Tacoma more for now. And honestly I like how it drives anyway.
Yeah...so it pains me to do it, but I am not going to bring my cars of winter hibernation until the world pulls out of this nose dive. Frankly, I was conflicted about my success BEFORE the global economy crashed... What a mess...
 

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the trade in is around 160k anyway. I don't even worry about driving it and the millage anymore. But I never care about those things anyway. ...
 

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Interesting watch, at least in the first part. According to them the dctors in the video, the lack of new cases in China could possibly be down to their changing of testing criteria and only counting more severe cases.

In Japan and South Korea it seems like people are still behaving normally as the MRT in Tokyo is still packed and my friend who owns a tour company in South Korea says they are booked for this month. In Taiwan even night markets are still open. Aside from the lack of large gatherings and widespread use of face masks it seems like life is largely unaffected. Most Asian countries already have the capcity to make millions of masks a day as there is strong demand for them even in normal conditions and tare also distributing them effectively through rationing. Along with follow ups with possible contacts and mass testing this system seems to be working although I'm owrried that theres a false sense of complacency as it looks like Japan and some SEA countries that avoided the initial peak are going to see a dramatic rise in the next weeks.
 

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Problem is driving exotic cars during these down times may offend some .... :(
I've been taking my 720S out these past few days. Mostly for picking up carry out. People still take pictures and are still happy to see it. My go to response would of been it's a point A to point A kinda car so I'm following the coronavirus rules. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Can we move the political dialogue to the off topic forum please? The topic is impact of CV on 720S pricing. On that topic I currently see on eBay a $345k msrp 2018 720s with around 8k miles bid to $189k, with the auction expiring tomorrow. Fistral blue. Nice car
 

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Can we move the political dialogue to the off topic forum please? The topic is impact of CV on 720S pricing. On that topic I currently see on eBay a $345k msrp 2018 720s with around 8k miles bid to $189k, with the auction expiring tomorrow. Fistral blue. Nice car
Fairly high mileage though....I think there may be better deals to be had
 

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When I have used ebay, the serious bidders wait untill the final moments to post their bid. Why tip your hand for someone else to top? Never even let others know you exist.
 

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Can we move the political dialogue to the off topic forum please? The topic is impact of CV on 720S pricing. On that topic I currently see on eBay a $345k msrp 2018 720s with around 8k miles bid to $189k, with the auction expiring tomorrow. Fistral blue. Nice car
Ebay auctions is by no means a test bed of fair market values. Many auctions include shill bids.
 

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Do you really think so? The nature of the disease suggests it is and always was going to be impossible to contain once it spread beyond a certain critical size.

You also need a certain level of societal compliance to get a successful lockdown. 3 weeks ago there is no way that would have been achieveable anywhere in Europe or the US I reckon. Even now, in some respects I'm not entirely certain the solution (lockdowns) isn't doing far more serious long term damage than the disease....
Yes. On two levels - late to the game enforced social distancing and a massive testing blunder. What's important is to look at not only recent history, but distant history as well. Go back and look to the lessons of the Spanish Flu of 1918. Particularly the city of St. Louis vs. Philadelphia. St. Louis knew what was coming, and basically enforced social distancing and banned all major gatherings and told people to stay inside. They never had a huge spike. Philadelphia did the opposite and paid the price, with heavy numbers of dead - they even allowed a massive parade to happen.

On the testing front - doctors could not order the tests they needed for all suspected patients. Because the kits were so limited, we were stuck waiting on the CDC until the last 2 weeks. So we had NO idea who was infected and who wasn't coming through our doors, through our clinics, etc. The CDC opted to use their own kits instead of the WHO or others. If the CDC had also directed private industry to make kits in preparation for the known coming of coronavirus (anyone who says they didn't think it would get here was ridiculous given its characteristics), we would have been much more prepared.

I know this is hard to accept on multiple levels - but it's the truth. Mistakes were made. People paid the price... I myself am waiting for test results as well - we as frontline physicians are getting hammered medically and psychologically.
 

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Yes. On two levels - late to the game enforced social distancing and a massive testing blunder. What's important is to look at not only recent history, but distant history as well. Go back and look to the lessons of the Spanish Flu of 1918. Particularly the city of St. Louis vs. Philadelphia. St. Louis knew what was coming, and basically enforced social distancing and banned all major gatherings and told people to stay inside. They never had a huge spike. Philadelphia did the opposite and paid the price, with heavy numbers of dead - they even allowed a massive parade to happen.

On the testing front - doctors could not order the tests they needed for all suspected patients. Because the kits were so limited, we were stuck waiting on the CDC until the last 2 weeks. So we had NO idea who was infected and who wasn't coming through our doors, through our clinics, etc. The CDC opted to use their own kits instead of the WHO or others. If the CDC had also directed private industry to make kits in preparation for the known coming of coronavirus (anyone who says they didn't think it would get here was ridiculous given its characteristics), we would have been much more prepared.

I know this is hard to accept on multiple levels - but it's the truth. Mistakes were made. People paid the price... I myself am waiting for test results as well - we as frontline physicians are getting hammered medically and psychologically.
St Louis my town and company has it's letters - worlds Fair 1904 4th largest city was major in 1918. Key was a virus before that and learned to shutter early. Some say started in KC at a pig farm then went to army barracks then when they invaded they carried it to other shores. Who knows -

You don't have to drive to enjoy - wash and shine give it some love but if you want to drive your car the people who get upset would have gotten upset before. I drive the 69z28 or Viper everyone loves seeing those cars but when I drive an exotic story changes. Daily Cullinan worked my ass off and last thing I am going to do is apologize for success. When I was a kid the guys who owned the cool cars were my heroes and remember each and everyone of them - enjoy your cars I am quite sure you earned it.
 

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If you want to know prices, just look at asking prices on cars.com and autotrader, and subtract like at least 10%.

I've never offered more than 10% under asking on a car and I've never had an offer for less than 10% under asking. And that's in a normal economic environment. If this keeps up, there will be fire sales for people wanting/needing to raise cash.

Low ebay bids don't mean anything and completed sales don't necessarily mean the transaction went through either.
 

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A Dealer offered a good friend of mine $230k on trade on a $370k sticker 2019 with 1k miles in the midst of this COVID fiasco.
 

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A Dealer offered a good friend of mine $230k on trade on a $370k sticker 2019 with 1k miles in the midst of this COVID fiasco.
so the dealer thinks he can sell it for 250-270k ... sounds about right ...4 weeks ago he would have probably gotten 20-30k more
 

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Yes. On two levels - late to the game enforced social distancing and a massive testing blunder. What's important is to look at not only recent history, but distant history as well. Go back and look to the lessons of the Spanish Flu of 1918. Particularly the city of St. Louis vs. Philadelphia. St. Louis knew what was coming, and basically enforced social distancing and banned all major gatherings and told people to stay inside. They never had a huge spike. Philadelphia did the opposite and paid the price, with heavy numbers of dead - they even allowed a massive parade to happen.

On the testing front - doctors could not order the tests they needed for all suspected patients. Because the kits were so limited, we were stuck waiting on the CDC until the last 2 weeks. So we had NO idea who was infected and who wasn't coming through our doors, through our clinics, etc. The CDC opted to use their own kits instead of the WHO or others. If the CDC had also directed private industry to make kits in preparation for the known coming of coronavirus (anyone who says they didn't think it would get here was ridiculous given its characteristics), we would have been much more prepared.

I know this is hard to accept on multiple levels - but it's the truth. Mistakes were made. People paid the price... I myself am waiting for test results as well - we as frontline physicians are getting hammered medically and psychologically.
First, mistakes being made in hindsight is cheap. The most important thing is to act and to act quickly, knowing full well mistakes will be made. Not acting is the worst thing to be done. We are all geniuses with hindsight, and all mute muppets when asked what to do in tough situations right at the moment.

I'm sure all the people pontificating with the benefit of hindsight have made billions in the markets knowing exactly when to buy sell on dips and peaks. Everyone here playing that perfectly right now. I mean free money. Buy low, sell high, easy.

That said, that the tests we had on hand were defective... sure that sucks. Was it a good call to dump them and wait for good ones. Dunno. Maybe the false negatives/positives would have done more harm than not testing. You may be sure, but I'm still not sure. It's a close enough call that to call it a mistake, IMO, is petty. Others will say it was correct.

Sure there was a mistake there in that the tests were defective. Why? Who the hell knows. You figure that out later. It does ZERO good right now to find some sacrificial person from the testing company to blame...It will not make anyone safer, and playing blame on that person wont make anyone feel any better either.

That the Obama administration didn't resupply masks etc that were used up in previous virus spreads despite being told to... is there blame to go around? Should Trump have started his press conferences with "DOOOOOOOOOM" instead of sunshine at the earlier stages. Some think that would have caused more panic than help things, others think it may have helped to go straight to defcon 10. I can see both sides. You choose the best path you can at the time. The after fact tarring of tough decisions is basically all partisan as far as I can see it, on both sides. It's more toxic than the virus.

It's so much Captain Hindsight stuff.


Petty, cheap and irrelevant. Unfortunately most times you dont learn these lessons unless and until it happens to you. South Korea went through this twice before and built up systems that worked for it. This is thankfully a relatively benign (as compared to say Ebola) pandemic. It's one that we NEED to learn from. From individuals becoming a bit more "prepper'ish" to localities and federal governments on how to cope.

Here, let me give you some brilliance coming out of NY State by our leaders. Food deliveries to buildings will only go to the door person and residents need to come down to get them (usually they deliver to your door). One slight problem, the state also says if you (and anyone in your apartment even if they dont) have the virus MAY NOT leave your apartment. So I guess you just starve. So now we are forcing CONFIRMED virus suffers to go down to get food. It's insane. We probably should send up delivery people (assuming they have mask and gloves) up to the infirmed, but they are making up these rules as fast as they can and not able to see all the interactions.

Do I blame them even for something this daft? Nope. To be somewhat fair, I don't know what's the lesser evil. Forcing known sick people to go down and get the food or sending delivery people that are basically Typhoid Mary all around the buildings. I think sending up a delivery person is, but who knows. The point is doing something here, even if not perfect, is better than doing nothing. You do the best you can.

Now, if/when this happens again, and it's a s**tshow again, then yes, I can see being more critical. In the mean time, IMO, it's much better to pitch in. Help out. Help straighten things out. The reality is people are so desperately holding on to partisan ship they wont let it go no matter what. There is no feeling of 'we're in this together'. There is just "I hate the other". People can try to say otherwise, but words are cheap. And actions tell the tale. And we're all going to reap what we sow here several times over.

To me, that's the biggest 'mistake' of this entire thing. But it's not just the politicians that are to blame, so are we all. As always, YMMV.

And that's why 720 prices will continue to drop! There, totally on topic now. :D
 

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I think its a waste of time to discuss the politics of it because both sides are entrenched and no one is going to change their minds. However what exposes people's motives is that if you complained about EVERYTHING about the last administration but yet find no wrong doing with this current administration and even get angered when others do what you did, then you're a hypocrite with an ulterior motive!
 

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Way to go get angry about the economic consequences of this? It’s time to place blame squarely on the democrats. Each day stimulus isn’t passed, tens of thousands lose jobs. The DNC has blocked passage of a bill for diversity on corporate boards, requiring same-day voter registration (aka fraud) in all 50 states, a bailout of the U.S. Postal Service (who isn’t laying off workers), funding for the Kennedy Center(wtf?), establishing a permanent $15-an-hour minimum wage (to small businesses who can’t afford to keep employees) , and zero carbon footprint regulations for already struggling airlines. The the leftist Lenin Christmas wishlist packed into a “stimulus” bill! What does ANY of this have to do with the crisis?youre right- NOTHING. You can’t even make this stuff up. This is what’s putting people out of work, closing restaurants and yes, wrecking 720s values.
 

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R theme song. Bully lie hide kick steal nickname - repeat.
Lets roll credits - grab em by the p not under audit orange 237lb impeached bone spur defies logic by looking into eclipse. Good people on both sides during Nazi hate gathering narrated by golfing legend go fund me porn star with friends and lawyer going to jail. Booted out of NY for foundation fraud - Trump U fraud there is no virus shake my hand there may be a virus it's a pandemic and I am the only one who knew it because my Uncle the scientist. Congress will lower debt taxes and feed the poor - result higher debt corporations buy stock now seek bail out and cuts programs while build Mexico wall and separating families then shows masses coming to the US that never arrived. Coal company goes bankrupt Putin gets the I did (not) to hold pee pee tape and Bidens son used to help win the next election.

And you think DNC wants to hurt people - it's just not true. People first corporations second is the goal while team R protects the corporate and rich. Don't know about you but prefer sticking up for people who can not stick up for themselves.
Poor us our McLaren depreciated - fyi deal is done ... 2trillion

I just hope it's over soon - its more fun to discuss McLaren
 

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I think its a waste of time to discuss the politics of it because both sides are entrenched and no one is going to change their minds. However what exposes people's motives is that if you complained about EVERYTHING about the last administration but yet find no wrong doing with this current administration and even get angered when others do what you did, then you're a hypocrite with an ulterior motive!
... like those who complain about EVERYTHING about the current administration, but yet found/find no wrong doing with the prior administration ....
 
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