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Actually I remember you now from the launch control/clutch thread... You are the one who has varying levels of experience depending on the post you read, and didn't really seem to know what you were talking about in that thread.

Anyway, here is the deal. Just let it go. Like I said earlier, people make mistakes. Much bigger mistakes. Mistakes that take your freedom away. And those people are forgiven and move on to bigger and better things, like running multi-million dollar plumbing jobs. If those people can be forgiven, why are you so hell bent on trying to shit on Sean?
 

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Respectfully.... Lets all just PLEASE keep this post about the OP's original issue.

And I thank ALL of you, and I mean everyone, for expressing your honest opinions.

I am excited and thankful for everyone in this McLaren owners community for their input and support.


BUT, this thread is the wrong place to air grievances.... Its actually all about the OP's original issue.


Thanks to all of you for being very passionate about the McLaren brand!


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Respectfully.... Lets all just PLEASE keep this post about the OP's original issue.

And I thank ALL of you, and I mean everyone, for expressing your honest opinions.

I am excited and thankful for everyone in this McLaren owners community for their input and support.


BUT, this thread is the wrong place to air grievances.... Its actually all about the OP's original issue.


Thanks to all of you for being very passionate about the McLaren brand!


Kevin
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I am passionate about informing people that this brand is GARBAGE. Sorry to say it. But China knock off replicas have better build quality. Mclaren have the worst down low lag from hell, darn cars can barely get off the line. I am glad I sold mine three days ago. I feel free. Free to be honest about this brand. Free to not feel scammmed out of a ton of money to drive a car with such horrible performance.


QUOTE="ima2nr (McMedics), post: 1796004, member: 43193"]
I will take it a step further! If I had access to the car in our shop we could remove, inspect, and test all the the oil-2-water coolers without removing the engine.

As others have suggested in this conversation:

  • Bad oil-2-water coolers have been a known McLaren failure point in the past
  • This is is also a common failure point on other makes/models (McLaren does not manufacture this part, they buy it from a supplier)
  • examining the oil cooler is not intrusive to the engine and would be much less expensive to diagnose vs just replacing the engine blindly.


@LifeIsGR8, Please DM me and lets discuss how the McMedics and Supercar Garage can help you in this situation.

I'm sure McLaren is reading this too! Maybe we find you just need a new oil cooler replaced and you save a years worth of average income! Of course which would defy the dealers advice to spend ALL those dollars to replace the entire engine. Maybe if we do, McLaren will take note that they need to stop selling costly repairs that are not necessary.

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FINALLY, someone with some common sense and brain cells. Bless you. It’s been forever lonely with Mclaren and their crap cars. Nobody seems to know a darn thing as to why these cars fail like they do. Diagnosing and finding the problem seems to
 

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I would not take a Mclaren back even if it was given to me for free. That’s how much I hate this brand. Why am I still here, because I enjoy seeing all the bs problems these cars have. It confirms my thinking of this brand.
 

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Sorry to be so negative. I really do. Just it has to be said, cause it is true. And I think everyone here knows it
 

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Discussion Starter · #67 · (Edited)
🚨 Update: Patrick has shared that McLaren is not willing to assist in any way.
 

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My apologies to the OP for the thread going off topic... I hope for the best for you.
 

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So now that you know you have to fix this, will you?
What will be the next step?
I don’t see a lot of options.
 

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I am curious as well, especially about what went wrong and ultimately what thebrepair costs will be.
 

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So now that you know you have to fix this, will you?
What will be the next step?
I don’t see a lot of options.
I believe I will have to find a way to fix it, as I can't imagine there is a great market for broken McLarens. Looking into 3rd party options now.
 

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It is indeed The Clutch Fluid that is used to operate the airbrake. The multiple hydraulic systems are easy to confuse and I myself am very careful to reference back to McLaren technical documents before answering specific questions when I'm not 110% sure.

What makes matters worse is when someone at McLaren informs you they "solved your airbrake issue by topping off your power steering fluid". Which is exactly the experience Sean had many years ago from his dealer.

@Fastcarsandloudmusic, I appreciate the kind words and respect for me, and I can also appreciate that Sean was a stubborn ass in that conversation. Indeed he was not only wrong on the topic, but he was beyond stubborn in his position based on just incorrect hearsay information.

Other than having the capacity to be an asshole, Sean is quite a capable mechanic and I enjoy when we have the opportunity to work together.

Supercar Garage is my primary business where we maintain, modify, and customize McLaren's exclusively. McMedics was born out of the necessity for Supercar Garage's services as needed in other areas not local to Atlanta GA. Sean is my partner in McMedics and his automotive skills are excellent. Again I would never ask you to use our services, But I will always be glad to be of service to you in anyway I can.

I can only hope you have the capacity to forgive and lets all move on as I think we have just hi-jacked the OP's thread.

Sorry OP!


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Like the others, sorry to go off-topic, but you're way more professional than your partner.

OP, really interested to see how this turns out for you. I really hope you're able to get your car fixed at a reasonable cost. There are potential McLaren owners following this thread and hopefully the end result will not detract them from getting into the brand.
 

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The OP's diagnosis was "Oil and Coolant have mixed"

So to summarize the best way to approach the OP's broken engine diagnosis outside of the dealership network using a third party independent specialist.


(1) With the engine in the car, Properly Diagnose and then eliminate the potential other non-engine failure points (like any of the three coolers found on engine or transmission )

*** COOLANT flows thru all of the OIL / CLUTCH / TRANSMISSION coolers! Basically any of these three different fluids could be the contaminant if just looking in the coolant system. Also look in to each of these three systems for coolant contamination)


(2) If it is determined the engine oil has coolant contamination (and it was not the oil cooler), then remove the engine and determine if the next possible failure point is minor (like only a blown head gasket or possibly one of the cylinder heads is bad or cracked. Then just replace those parts and save the rest of the engine!)

*** Used Cylinder Heads can be found for as low as 2500.00! Meaning the parts cost plus labor would be a fraction of just replacing the entire engine!

(3) WORST CASE SCENARIO - You pull the engine and tear it down to find unrepairable damage! Only then you replace the entire unit with a good known unit pulled from a salvage vehicle.
At the current time, these units are plentiful and advertised on sites like eBay for around 25k ASKING price. Meaning you should at least try to negotiate!

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Additionally I have found independent specialist labor rates to be much more attractive.
An independent does not have the exorbitant overhead costs that a multi-million dollar dealership has so they can operate on less and still provide a quality result.


As an independent specialist, Supercar Garage is able to fairly charge 100.00 an hour vs. East Coast dealers being around 200.00 hour and West Coast Dealers approaching or exceeding 300.00 per hour.

If this entire job consumes 40~60 real labor hours, then your independent specialist could be 1/2 to 1/3 of the price in this category alone. Potentially saving between 5,000 to 10,000 dollars just in labor!


So in Summary,

- This repair could turn out to be as little as $2,000 best case to replace an oil/clutch/transmission cooler.

- And possibly less than $10,000 if it just needs a cylinder head.

- And if you used an eBay engine you could be around $30,000 total.

ALL THREE SCENARIOS ABOVE are still less than HALF the cost of $65k+++ for a new engine.

I know a new engine would have a one year warranty, but a used engine or even a less expensive repair leaves all the rest of your money in your pocket!
For the $30k + savings "worst case" you could replace the entire engine a second time!

Think about the advantage you have by not giving that money away.

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The OP's diagnosis was "Oil and Coolant have mixed"

So to summarize the best way to approach the OP's broken engine diagnosis outside of the dealership network using a third party independent specialist.


(1) With the engine in the car, Properly Diagnose and then eliminate the potential other non-engine failure points (like any of the three coolers found on engine or transmission )

*** COOLANT flows thru all of the OIL / CLUTCH / TRANSMISSION coolers! Basically any of these three fliuds could be the contaminant if just looking in the coolant system. Also look in to each of these three systems for coolant contamination)


(2) If it is determined the engine oil has coolant contamination (and it was not the oil cooler), then remove the engine and determine if the next possible failure point is minor (like only a blown head gasket or possibly one of the cylinder heads is bad. Then just replace those parts and save the rest of the engine)

*** Used Cylinder Heads can be found for as low as 2500.00! Meaning the parts cost plus labor would be a fraction of just replacing the entire engine!

(3) WORST CASE SCENARIO - You pull the engine and tear it down to find unrepairable damage! Then you replace the entire unit with a good known unit pulled from a salvage vehicle. At the current time, these units are plentiful and advertised on sites like eBay for around 25k ASKING price. Meaning you should at least try to negotiate!

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Additionally I have found independent specialist labor rates to be much more attractive.
An independent does not have the exorbitant overhead costs that a multi-million dollar dealership has.


As an independent specialist, Supercar Garage is able to fairly charge 100.00 an hour vs. East Coast dealers being around 200.00 hour and West Coast Dealers approaching or exceeding 300.00 per hour.

If this entire job consumes 40~60 real labor hours, then your independent specialist could be 1/2 to 1/3 of the price in this category alone. Potentially saving between 5,000 to 10,000 dollars just in labor!


So in Summary,

- This repair could turn out to be as little as $2,000 best case to replace an oil/clutch/transmission cooler.

- And possibly less than $10,000 if it just needs a cylinder head.

- And if you used an eBay engine you could be around $30,000 total.

ALL THREE SCENARIOS ABOVE are still less than HALF the cost of $60k+++ for a new engine.

I know a new engine would have a one year warranty, but a used engine or even a less expensive repair leaves all the rest of your money in your pocket!
For the $30k + savings "worst case" you could replace the entire engine a second time!

Think about the advantage you have by not giving that money away.

Kevin
Supercar Garage - The McLaren Specialist
Kennesaw GA
Damn you and your logic! Foiling McLaren's money-making schemes!
 

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Damn you and your logic! Foiling McLaren's money-making schemes!
It's only being replaced with my own money making schemes. LOL

I had a sneak peek in McLarens headquarters and captured this REAL LIFE photo in their executive suits...
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Here comes the lawsuits!
OK... OK... I randomly found the image on Google. Are you happy now?
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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If this were me, and I had to engine out and rebuild, I would stage 3,4, and 5 this and make it the fastest 570s on the planet.
Look at this as a blessing to go wild with the impossible build.
Why not?
@Topcarbon,

You raise a very valid point! And this is quite common in our shop. Use the money you saved and spend it on the upgrades you always wanted. And you still come out cheaper than just buying a new engine.

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I guess it will all depend on the OP's budget...
 

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They're in California, so it's unlikely that they can make any modifications legally. The price we pay for sunshine, well, that and state taxes ..
While it might not be legal, many people still modify their cars.
 
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