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The tariffs would be on parts too, so all those american cars built from imported parts would have some portion of the tariffs added.

US car manufacturers would have to raises prices by 15% to cover the imported parts.

Keep in mind all the foreign brands which are built in the USA and the American brands that are manufactured in Canada and Mexico and elsewhere
If all "US" cars have that high a foreign parts content, then I can't see significant tariffs being applied. It sounds like another of Trump's over the top and confrontational negotiation tactics, not that I'd ever accuse him of tact ..
 

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If all "US" cars have that high a foreign parts content, then I can't see significant tariffs being applied. It sounds like another of Trump's over the top and confrontational negotiation tactics, not that I'd ever accuse him of tact ..
I agree with you 100%, but remember the Mexican government was going to pay for the wall lol. He has the commerce department recommendations, but is going to keep it secret leaving everyone in limbo. At the end of the day it is what it is. My car is scheduled to be built mid April and delivery about one month later so we’ll just wait and see. Life is good and I can’t complain!
 

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As someone with a new 720s spider on order it will be interesting to see what Trump does with his proposed 25% tariffs on cars and parts coming into the US. Today the commerce department will give their recommendations on whether autos and parts pose a national security issue, which would allow him to impose the tariffs.

For me it would potentially add 90k to my car, which I would not pay. It would really add to the thread of depreciation for the 720. Just imagine paying the tax and the next president comes in and drops the tariffs what a mess for guys buying and paying the increased tax. Just a potential mess.

Hopefully this and the BREXIT stuff works out. If not I see major issues for mclaren here in the US.
As others have said it will raise the price of used cars already here and slow down if not kill new cars coming in. Same thing others are doing to the US. Trump just playing their game.
 

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Btw with 20 years in LE his wall will not stop anything! Btw Have you’ve been to Chicago lately!!!
I know some agents that disagree with you 100%. However since you were in LE perhaps you can enlighten us with what you believe will work. I am always willing to listen to the experts.

Do you know what else would save "American lives"? Free basic healthcare. I'm guessing that you're not willing to pay for that.
How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it. Did you do your job for free in LE?
 

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Not going to get into the wall with you. You don’t have a clue so really a waste of my time.
I have a clue but willing to hear you out. Most just spout off with no real substance - sounds like you might be different which would be interesting to hear.

The tariffs will hurt everyone who owns a mclaren. The 25% tariffs being proposed also includes auto parts. This will drive up costs on repairing and maintaining used cars. Extended warranties, that are already expensive, will skyrocket. The US market is mclaren’s top selling market in the world. I think if this happens it will have a long term devastating impact here in the US. For guys like me that don’t have a money tree in the back yard it would force me to look elsewhere.

Also remember that the BREXIT issues, that are not resolved, could also end up resulting in added tariffs on that end. This could potentially take the price of a mclaren to a level that just makes no sense for the majority of people.
Anything is possible but highly unlikely. Trump can be "very" annoying but he is no dummy (maybe sometimes). He knows that the threat of these tariffs will provide for a more mutually beneficial scenario. It is all posturing. You saw how it went in Germany?
 

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How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it.
Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.

Did you do your job for free in LE?
LE?
 

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All I know is my new RR shows up this weekend and I will have two depreciating British cars in the garage. If the tariff happens it will turn that tide...bring on tariffs!

For those 'really' worried, don't be--you can't control it. Oh and it won't happen, so you're getting worked up over nothing.

I can wear my MAGA hat driving either one of my new cars laughing all the way...
 

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Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.


LE?
Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.

Back on subject. The Tarriffs are a negotiating tactic. You negotiate from a position of strength. He'll get the Europeans to make a few concessions and waive the victory flag. MAGA
 

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Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.
I didn't claim that. I'm advocating compassion for your fellow human beings. IMO, how a society treats its less fortunate members says a lot about it.

Back on subject. The Tarriffs are a negotiating tactic. You negotiate from a position of strength. He'll get the Europeans to make a few concessions and waive the victory flag. MAGA
Agreed. It's the negotiating tactic of a child though. Adults should be able to discuss without making such confrontational and explicit threats.
 

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Those advocating 'compassion' should look around their own city. Go complain to your city council that they are not doing enough--these are local issues. Call your amazing governor and get him to kick in some state funds. Maybe invite a few of these homeless (or illegals if you prefer) into your house for shelter and let them drive your car when needed.

Put your money where your mouth is.

rnixon what do you drive I'm just curious?
 

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Put your money where your mouth is.
I pay taxes and vote. Healthcare and hunger are national problems.

rnixon what do you drive I'm just curious?
An embarrassing practical car, and a 928GTS for fun. It's too nice to park at work now though - my old office had good underground parking, but we moved. I considered a kit car (Superlite Cars), but, realistically, I don't have the time and production cars are, IMO, better value (and more comfortable).
 

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I pay taxes and vote. Healthcare and hunger are national problems.


An embarrassing practical car, and a 928GTS for fun. It's too nice to park at work now though - my old office had good underground parking, but we moved. I considered a kit car (Superlite Cars), but, realistically, I don't have the time and production cars are, IMO, better value (and more comfortable).
Gotcha. Well the SF homeless and drug issue are more at the local level. Again, your democratic local leaders are to blame for these local issues--please call them and demand change. Take it up with them.

I think it would go a long way for you to sell you cars and donate that money to the SF homeless. And you forgot to say if you would welcome some of these homeless into your house. Lead by example. I too pay plenty of taxes, but unfortunately politicians from both sides tend to not know how to balance a budget. That I cannot help but to keep trying to vote in the right people. You should do the same.

Listen, we could go on for 15 more pages, but we are so far apart, and this is a car forum so I'll let you be to argue your points as they will fall on deaf ears to me.

Enjoy SF, it was a great city and now one of the worst in the US. I won't even travel there for business anymore. Take care and wish you the best...hopefully you can get a Mac one day.
 

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Find me the line in the Constitution that guarantees adequate food and basic healthcare. Youre advocating socialism.
Are you referring to the same Constitution that explicitly permitted slavery?

Sometimes people realise that they were wrong. Even more often, people realise that what might have seemed right in an earlier era would be wrong today.
 

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Gotcha. Well the SF homeless and drug issue are more at the local level.
We were talking about healthcare and food. I've already said that California is a mess.

I think it would go a long way for you to sell you cars and donate that money to the SF homeless. And you forgot to say if you would welcome some of these homeless into your house.
No, it wouldn't, and it is not a burden for the odd few to carry.

politicians from both sides tend to not know how to balance a budget
Agreed.

Listen, we could go on for 15 more pages, but we are so far apart, and this is a car forum so I'll let you be to argue your points as they will fall on deaf ears to me.
Fair enough.

Enjoy SF, it was a great city and now one of the worst in the US. I won't even travel there for business anymore.
I don't live in SF. It certainly has its issues, as do many large US cities.

Take care and wish you the best...hopefully you can get a Mac one day.
Thank you - you too.
 

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I think that all the European brands that have factories here and employ Americans would be rather pissed at him. I would worry more about Brexit since parts for these cars come from all over the EU.
 

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I know some agents that disagree with you 100%. However since you were in LE perhaps you can enlighten us with what you believe will work. I am always willing to listen to the experts.



How is it free if you are asking him to pay? Free means free - right. Doctors work for free, hospitals, drug companies, etc. Free doesn't mean that hard workers pay for it. Did you do your job for free in LE?
Would love to educate someone willing to learn.

We have a wall. In someone’s opinion it’s not working so let’s build more wall. Doing the same thing expecting a different result! You get the idea.

More wall will deter and stop some of the elderly, young, and weak that are just looking for a better life. The “riff raff” that some have called them. It will do very little to stop the real hard core bad guys that are trying to get in. The wall to them is just an obstacle that they will find a way around.

DRUGS: Most of the illegal drugs that enter our country enter through legal entry points. Drug money goes back the same way. So the wall will have little impact regarding this problem and these drugs will continue to enter our country and continue to kill thousands of Americans each year.

Americans being murdered: The mast majority of people killed/murdered in the US each year are killed by US citizens. The majority of the mass killings in this country are committed by US citizens. The wall will do nothing to stop this.

We are at a 45 year low for illegals entering this country, but now it’s a national emergency. The billions of tax payer dollars that will be used will be taken from already needed funded projects, which will have a negative impact on those communities.

The civil actions to come will cost tax payers millions of dollars. Think about the benefit all this money could have if put to other needed projects, but it’s going to be just pissed away.

What’s needed to happen, at a greatly reduced cost: Put more feet on the ground. Give them better/more technology. More judges and ways to make our justice system more effective and fluid dealing with illegals. Better state/federal laws with STIFFER penalties specific for illegals that commit crimes in our country. This will be more of a deterrent than the wall to the hard core bad guys.

BTY What happened to the Mexican government funding the wall?

Hope this helps!
 

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As others have said it will raise the price of used cars already here and slow down if not kill new cars coming in. Same thing others are doing to the US. Trump just playing their game.
Really not a game. Would cost hundreds of thousands jobs here in the US. Tariffs on the billions of dollars of cars/goods we export only hurting American manufacturing/jobs. I believe we have to get the trade deficit in line, but not with the use of an axe.
 

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Free at the point of consumption, like free public education. There are lots of services that are paid for by general taxation. IMO, providing adequate food and basic healthcare is something that the state should ensure for everyone, paid for by general taxation. There are too many people starving in the US, and suffering with easily preventable conditions.


LE?

Simple solution - you and people who think like you can pay more AND do your share for charity like me and my right winged friends. The more we have the more we give back as opposed to asking for others to pay for shit.

Nothing is free though, if you don't understand this then there is no point in debating.
 

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Really not a game. Would cost hundreds of thousands jobs here in the US. Tariffs on the billions of dollars of cars/goods we export only hurting American manufacturing/jobs. I believe we have to get the trade deficit in line, but not with the use of an axe.
Please give me specifics, I am tired of hearing things that are not factual. I happen to own multiple companies and deal internationally but not seeing what you describe so I am curious as to what you are referring to - please no fake news though. Give me facts and specific examples.
 
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