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As someone with a new 720s spider on order it will be interesting to see what Trump does with his proposed 25% tariffs on cars and parts coming into the US. Today the commerce department will give their recommendations on whether autos and parts pose a national security issue, which would allow him to impose the tariffs.

For me it would potentially add 90k to my car, which I would not pay. It would really add to the thread of depreciation for the 720. Just imagine paying the tax and the next president comes in and drops the tariffs what a mess for guys buying and paying the increased tax. Just a potential mess.

Hopefully this and the BREXIT stuff works out. If not I see major issues for mclaren here in the US.
 

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Lol. He’s making us great. Just declared a national emergency then goes golfing at his resort.
Call me crazy, but tired of US citizens being murdered by illegals...yes national emergency.

We can take this thread elsewhere...join us in F Chat Politics thread. You will love it there.

This is 720 talk (even though from your initial post you made it political).

No more relies from me here.
 

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Call me crazy, but tired of US citizens being murdered by illegals...yes national emergency.

We can take this thread elsewhere...join us in F Chat Politics thread. You will love it there.

This is 720 talk (even though from your initial post you made it political).

No more relies from me here.
Did no such thing. Just stated facts that relate to mclaren and the 720.

Glad to here no more replies from you!!!

Btw with 20 years in LE his wall will not stop anything! Btw Have you’ve been to Chicago lately!!!
 

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If the tariff is imposed, the lucky ones of us that already own Mclaren's in the US will see a huge jump in used prices due to the big jump in new prices. This jump on new cars will limit the cars coming into the US as well as slow the demand due to the additional cost to purchase a high end exotic. Not wanting to sell, but just putting to ease the minds of the owners already in the US.

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Works for me...love driving progressives crazy

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What was your logic for putting this on a British car? Ah, trump supporter .. <img src="http://www.mclarenlife.com/forums/images/MclarenLife_2015/smilies/tango_face_wink.png" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
So you can only put Trump stickers on American cars?
 

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Call me crazy, but tired of US citizens being murdered by illegals...yes national emergency.

We can take this thread elsewhere...join us in F Chat Politics thread. You will love it there.

This is 720 talk (even though from your initial post you made it political).

No more relies from me here.
Did no such thing. Just stated facts that relate to mclaren and the 720.

Glad to here no more replies from you!!!

Btw with 20 years in LE his wall will not stop anything! Btw Have you’ve been to Chicago lately!!!
20 yrs in LE? You don’t think it’s a visual deterrent? That wall will absolutely slow down illegals coming into the US from down south. Ask any border patrol agent. It won’t stop 100% of the traffic. Nothing can, but if it saves American lives and helps keep out the riff raff, is it worth it?

What does Chicago have to do with a border wall? I think it was identified as one of the most corrupt cities in the US. Sounds like a local leadership issue. I’m not gonna name any past presidents that may or may not be from there but it’s funny how that city is the most violent in America.

But I would agree that the uptick in tariffs will/could slow down purchases in America? As a current owner I hope it would help the value of my car hold a little more but
 

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Lol. He’s making us great. Just declared a national emergency then goes golfing at his resort.
I guess he can add it to the list of 31 others:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/politics/national-emergencies-trump-opioid/index.html

Been a lot of golf played throughout....

That said, let's all try to reel this into the topic of tarriffs affecting imports/mclarens.

Yea, I agree, this will put a major damper on sales. But it depends on if this is on entire cars, or just service parts. Either way, it won't be pretty.
 

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It won’t stop 100% of the traffic. Nothing can, but if it saves American lives and helps keep out the riff raff, is it worth it?
Do you know what else would save "American lives"? Free basic healthcare. I'm guessing that you're not willing to pay for that.
You want free basic healthcare? Move to Canada.

Funny how the border wall took a turn for healthcare

How is the homeless situation in San Fran? Are the tent cities working out well? Seems like California has it all figured out.

Edit. Neither of us is going to change the other’s mind so this is pointless. Sorry if I took away from the thread about auto tariffs. The whole auto industry is going to be hit by it so any car that you buy will be an increase. 25% is a lot but it boils down to how bad do you want it and do you really care about the 25% at that point
 

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20 yrs in LE? You don’t think it’s a visual deterrent? That wall will absolutely slow down illegals coming into the US from down south. Ask any border patrol agent. It won’t stop 100% of the traffic. Nothing can, but if it saves American lives and helps keep out the riff raff, is it worth it?

What does Chicago have to do with a border wall? I think it was identified as one of the most corrupt cities in the US. Sounds like a local leadership issue. I’m not gonna name any past presidents that may or may not be from there but it’s funny how that city is the most violent in America.

But I would agree that the uptick in tariffs will/could slow down purchases in America? As a current owner I hope it would help the value of my car hold a little more but
Not going to get into the wall with you. You don’t have a clue so really a waste of my time. My apologies to everyone with this thread getting off topic. This was never my intent.

The tariffs will hurt everyone who owns a mclaren. The 25% tariffs being proposed also includes auto parts. This will drive up costs on repairing and maintaining used cars. Extended warranties, that are already expensive, will skyrocket. The US market is mclaren’s top selling market in the world. I think if this happens it will have a long term devastating impact here in the US. For guys like me that don’t have a money tree in the back yard it would force me to look elsewhere.

Also remember that the BREXIT issues, that are not resolved, could also end up resulting in added tariffs on that end. This could potentially take the price of a mclaren to a level that just makes no sense for the majority of people.
 

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As someone with a new 720s spider on order it will be interesting to see what Trump does with his proposed 25% tariffs on cars and parts coming into the US. Today the commerce department will give their recommendations on whether autos and parts pose a national security issue, which would allow him to impose the tariffs.

For me it would potentially add 90k to my car, which I would not pay. It would really add to the thread of depreciation for the 720. Just imagine paying the tax and the next president comes in and drops the tariffs what a mess for guys buying and paying the increased tax. Just a potential mess.

Hopefully this and the BREXIT stuff works out. If not I see major issues for mclaren here in the US.
Although on the subject of economics (and many other subjects) Trump is an imbecile, Steve Mnuchin is a smart guy. So far Steve has been successful in reining in most of Trump's kindergarten-level impulses. It's now looking like the tariff hikes on Chinese imports were a negotiating tactic rather than a strategic shift.

If Trump were to cut the UK off at the knees by slapping a huge tariff on Range Rovers, Jaguars, MINIs, Civics and McLarens, it would be seen in the UK, one of the USA's best friends in the world, as an act of deliberate and gratuitous belligerence. For better or worse, Trump has consistently manifested warm and fuzzy sentiments towards the UK, and one would be surprised if that were to lapse. Trump has stated that he would like to strike a very liberal trade deal with the UK post-Brexit.

If the UK were to end up stuck in some bloody customs union with the EU goons, there would be less protection for UK-specific car imports, but even so it feels like Trump derives more satisfaction by spitting in other directions rather than towards Europe.
I could be wrong, but when it comes to tariffs on car imports from the UK, I wouldn't expect Trump to descend to his usual depths of ignorance.
 

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You want free basic healthcare? Move to Canada.
Thanks, but I am entitled to try to change the US with my votes.

Funny how the border wall took a turn for healthcare
No, it's not funny, it's logic. You assert that a wall (actually a fence, but Trump cannot bring himself to admit that) will save American lives. I assert that free basic healthcare is a more (money) efficient way of doing that.

Trump's construction would have issues with fewer illegal immigrants, as would the US economy.

How is the homeless situation in San Fran? Are the tent cities working out well? Seems like California has it all figured out.
California is a mess, but it's sunny and a long way from muppet man.

The whole auto industry is going to be hit by it so any car that you buy will be an increase. 25% is a lot but it boils down to how bad do you want it and do you really care about the 25% at that point
Surely it wouldn't affect US-made cars being sold in the US as much? They'll probably raise prices.
 

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The tariffs would be on parts too, so all those american cars built from imported parts would have some portion of the tariffs added.

US car manufacturers would have to raises prices by 15% to cover the imported parts.

Keep in mind all the foreign brands which are built in the USA and the American brands that are manufactured in Canada and Mexico and elsewhere
 

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I did mention this on the Ford Gt forum, as the Tariffs would apply to the NFGT, since its built in Canada. I took quite the beating from the members some of whom argued that the NFGT was an American car and Tariffs would not apply.
 

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National Security Investigation Into Imports Complete, Could Cause New Car Prices To Climb $2,750


BY MICHAEL GAUTHIER | POSTED ON FEBRUARY 18, 2019


It’s been nearly a year since President Trump ordered the Department of Commerce to conduct an investigation into whether or not imported vehicles and parts are a threat to the national security of the United States.

The investigation is now over and Reuters says the report was submitted to the White House less than two hours before it was due. The department is keeping details under wraps, but President Trump has 90 days to consider taking action based on recommendations made in the report.

There’s no word on what recommendations are in the report but, when the investigation was launched, the Department of Commerce said the number of automotive production jobs in the United States has fallen by 22 percent, since 1990, “even though Americans are continuing to purchase automobiles at record levels.” The department also noted the number of imported passenger vehicles has jumped 16 percent in the past 20 years.






It remains unclear what will happen next, but many observers believe the Trump administration will use the report to justify slapping tariffs on imported vehicles. There’s still a lot of uncertainly, but possible recommendations could include tariffs of 20-25 percent on imported vehicles and parts or more targeted tariffs on electric and autonomous vehicles.

A number of companies have been critical of the proposed tariffs and Toyota has previously called them “a tax on consumers, [which] would increase the cost of every vehicle sold in the country.” With tariffs of 25 percent, the automaker suggested the price of the American-made Camry would jump by $1,800 (£1,392 / £1,591).

More recently, the Center for Automotive Research (PDF) released a report that suggested tariffs could cost up to 366,900 jobs in the United States including those of up to 77,000 dealership employees. The report also suggested the average price of a new vehicle could climb by $2,750 (£2,126 / £2,431) and this could cause new vehicle sales to plummet by up to 1.3 million units annually.



https://www.carscoops.com/2019/02/national-security-investigation-imports-complete-cause-new-car-prices-climb-2750/
 

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20 yrs in LE? You don’t think it’s a visual deterrent? That wall will absolutely slow down illegals coming into the US from down south. Ask any border patrol agent. It won’t stop 100% of the traffic. Nothing can, but if it saves American lives and helps keep out the riff raff, is it worth it?

What does Chicago have to do with a border wall? I think it was identified as one of the most corrupt cities in the US. Sounds like a local leadership issue. I’m not gonna name any past presidents that may or may not be from there but it’s funny how that city is the most violent in America.

But I would agree that the uptick in tariffs will/could slow down purchases in America? As a current owner I hope it would help the value of my car hold a little more but
National Security Investigation Into Imports Complete, Could Cause New Car Prices To Climb $2,750


BY MICHAEL GAUTHIER | POSTED ON FEBRUARY 18, 2019


It’s been nearly a year since President Trump ordered the Department of Commerce to conduct an investigation into whether or not imported vehicles and parts are a threat to the national security of the United States.

The investigation is now over and Reuters says the report was submitted to the White House less than two hours before it was due. The department is keeping details under wraps, but President Trump has 90 days to consider taking action based on recommendations made in the report.

There’s no word on what recommendations are in the report but, when the investigation was launched, the Department of Commerce said the number of automotive production jobs in the United States has fallen by 22 percent, since 1990, “even though Americans are continuing to purchase automobiles at record levels.” The department also noted the number of imported passenger vehicles has jumped 16 percent in the past 20 years.






It remains unclear what will happen next, but many observers believe the Trump administration will use the report to justify slapping tariffs on imported vehicles. There’s still a lot of uncertainly, but possible recommendations could include tariffs of 20-25 percent on imported vehicles and parts or more targeted tariffs on electric and autonomous vehicles.

A number of companies have been critical of the proposed tariffs and Toyota has previously called them “a tax on consumers, [which] would increase the cost of every vehicle sold in the country.” With tariffs of 25 percent, the automaker suggested the price of the American-made Camry would jump by $1,800 (£1,392 / £1,591).

More recently, the Center for Automotive Research (PDF) released a report that suggested tariffs could cost up to 366,900 jobs in the United States including those of up to 77,000 dealership employees. The report also suggested the average price of a new vehicle could climb by $2,750 (£2,126 / £2,431) and this could cause new vehicle sales to plummet by up to 1.3 million units annually.



https://www.carscoops.com/2019/02/national-security-investigation-imports-complete-cause-new-car-prices-climb-2750/

Thanks for posting. It will be a mess. For me I would not buy my incoming 720s spider. For the people that would, think about what happens to their value if a new president comes in and drops the tariffs after seeing the negative impact. They’d take a major beating if they ever tried to sell.

Mclaren would become a used car dealership if that.
 
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