Thanks for the link. That's a close battle this time, one tenth doesn't mean much.
Thanks for the link. That's a close battle this time, one tenth doesn't mean much.http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/videoreviews/273787/ferrari_vs_mclaren.html
Usual "trick" 458, but at least McLaren provided a car with superlight wheels and carbon brakes.
Questionable driving by the reviewer though.
He doesn't appear to be pressing the 12C anywhere near as much as the 458, but then, some of that is down to the superb dynamics of the 12C
Correction: they only have meaning when the 458 is slower.As always, Italia's times are without meaning, but the comments on the Macca are very interesting. Especially, the precise front end and total absence of understeer. I kinda second those comments but a blast through the backroads is very different from an all-out track attack. Chassis shortcomings really show up at the limit and you cannot see it in those cars at (semi-) legal speeds. Very encouraging.
Always interested in your comments 10000rpm,i myself have always wanted a Mclaren and feel fortunate to be in this postition,and as you put it you had a deposit on a 12c and BAILED OUT,is that because you wanted the next great car???,but were a little worried it wouldnt be quite 100% so you BAILED OUT,and if it had been everything you wanted would you now, being the owner of a 12c ,be all over the Ferrari forums telling them what was wrong with the 458 that youd BAILED OUT FROM.Correction: they only have meaning when the 458 is slower.
No, they have meaning when Ferrari does not know it will end up being compared (like Top Gear times or Hockenheim). Otherwise, Ferrari will be well "prepared".Correction: they only have meaning when the 458 is slower.
Well articulated. That is the the issue. Well said.No, they have meaning when Ferrari does not know it will end up being compared (like Top Gear times or Hockenheim). Otherwise, Ferrari will be well "prepared".
Well saidNo, they have meaning when Ferrari does not know it will end up being compared (like Top Gear times or Hockenheim). Otherwise, Ferrari will be well "prepared".
Even then you are giving them too much credit. If they have been meddling for years as the journos say, then any car provided by Maranello has likely been off side. i.e. could a customer 458 even do 1:19 at Dunsfold, like the first car they sent? I seriously doubt it. They would have sent a trick car back then for that taping, too. I hope they continue to send 458 FNE out to tests. Every time they do, more people see the discrepancies with existing data and call BS. They think they can outsmart the public forever, but the consequences of corrupt behaviour will become more and more dire as long as they continue. Nothing comes for free.No, they have meaning when Ferrari does not know it will end up being compared (like Top Gear times or Hockenheim). Otherwise, Ferrari will be well "prepared".
Really, who cares?Even then you are giving them too much credit. If they have been meddling for years as the journos say, then any car provided by Maranello has likely been off side. i.e. could a customer 458 even do 1:19 at Dunsfold, like the first car they sent? I seriously doubt it. They would have sent a trick car back then for that taping, too. I hope they continue to send 458 FNE out to tests. Every time they do, more people see the discrepancies with existing data and call BS. They think they can outsmart the public forever, but the consequences of corrupt behaviour will become more and more dire as long as they continue. Nothing comes for free.
And a free fire extinguisher !!Really, who cares?
They deliver their cars on time, as promised, and with a functioning radio. .
Haha, well at least your posts are good for comic relief. One chance to make a first impression, eh? How's this for a first impression:Really, who cares?
They deliver their cars on time, as promised, and with a functioning radio. Last I checked 458 buyers are more than satisfied with their purchases and they get everything they are expecting. It appears the same cannot be said about 12C buyers aside from the couple diehard fanboys on this forum which must be Mclaren shareholders. I would be more worried about whether my car can go 10 miles on the streets of the real world without 18 different electrical gremlins and failures popping up a-la 1980 range rover rather than whether the car turns 1s faster driven by a pro driver on track.
Bottom line: Mclaren promised the world with the launch of this car and FAILED. You get one chance to make a first impression. Ferrari continues to deliver the goods over and over.
I heard now they are just going to have the Halon go off every time the engine revs past 6000 RPM.And a free fire extinguisher !!
Great that you checked with them. Last I checked, this guy got a little more than everything he was expecting (photo courtesy of BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/11071047).Last I checked 458 buyers are more than satisfied with their purchases and they get everything they are expecting.
I heard now they are just going to have the Halon go off every time the engine revs past 6000 RPM.
There is no deception. I don't buy a 458 because it is faster than other cars around the track, I buy it because its mega quick and feels good to drive. Again, pretty sure no one feels they got sold a bill of goods when they put the pedal down in their 458.Haha, well at least your posts are good for comic relief. One chance to make a first impression, eh? How's this for a first impression:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFqfk0VHD8Y
Oh yeah, I forgot that most Ferrari fanboys, as you put it, conveniently don't remember any of those "goods being delivered, over and over", as you succinctly put it. I bet that guy is glad his radio is functioning.
Here are more goods, as delivered by your beloved Italians, with the links for your own perusal. You'll see that I don't have to label the 458 as a FAILURE. Enough disappointed 458 owners took care of that on ferrarichat already after taking delivery of their obviously flawless and emotionally perfect stallion.
1. Front lifter failure
2. Bluetooth doesn't work
3. Brake calipers leak
4. Premature wearing of ceramic brake pads
5. Windshield washer fluid bubbles out onto car
6. Door seal came off
7. Transmission failure within 250 miles
8. Wiper fluid doesn't work
9. Side marker lights filled with water
10. Transmission light came on and off intermittently
11. Steering failure within first 400 km
12. Engine breather pipe recalled
13. Air conditioner leaks & blows hot air
14. Speaker problem
15. ECU requires remap
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313860&highlight=recall
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328223&highlight=Lemon
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330121&highlight=Lemon
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303408
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=304757
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327488&highlight=recall
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=322655&highlight=recall
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320152&highlight=recall
And who cares about Ferrari's deceptions? I do and I doubt that I am alone. Maybe you assume that I only care because I'm a McLaren customer. If so, you have the cause and effect relationship backwards. One of the reasons that I am a McLaren customer is because I'm tired of Ferrari's ways.
Still not sure what your motivations are to be here - but let's see what else you've got. You should be thanked, really, as every time you come back to this forum trolling for an argument, you provide the opportunity for more people to learn about the real truth of these matters.