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Will be interesting to learn how far along the OTA McLaren Artura system is compared to other auto companies-Different guy. Younger kid (I’m 41, he sounded early 20s).
Another thing I remember: OTA updates supposed to be quarterly.
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My Artura will arrive just in time for an Australian Summer, yay! Can any Aussies host me for 3 months?
Mclaren Walnut Creek received their first artura . It is a demo car but they have a strong urge to sell it to a customer based on people coming out of the wood works trying to buy it from them .
if you can afford 200+k on a car, you can afford 50k more. just buy the real thing and get the 296...If McLaren has really get to grips with the problems, I'm convinced that the Artura will be a success. Because the car seems to me to be much too good to be a failure. And on the other hand, the entire industry is struggling to bring their vehicles to market on time, McLaren is not really an exception. Let's be honest, is there a real competitor to the Artura? And no, I don't see the 296GTB as an Artura competitor...
only thing against the 296 is that you would probably look at 2024 delivery if you tried to order one.
having said that, that might not be much later than the Artura...
It seems that you are right and I have to correct my statement, I am experiencing it myself right now. A friend of mine was interested in the Artura. A few days ago he was able to drive a 296. Now he is so excited that he will probably order the Ferrari, the 296 must be grandiose. The price difference is suddenly no longer so important to him. In this case, the 296 is definitely a competitor to the Artura and I was wrong.if you can afford 200+k on a car, you can afford 50k more. just buy the real thing and get the 296...
only thing against the 296 is that you would probably look at 2024 delivery if you tried to order one.
having said that, that might not be much later than the Artura...
i was somewhat joking, the artura is more of a 570 replacment while the 296 is clearly in the 720 league. and i dont know who said the 765lt blows the 296 away, but simple numbers, bhp, torque etc would say otherwise. Never mind the difference in resources between the most profitable car maker on the planet vs a company fighting bankruptcy. And i say that as a massive Mclaren fan.It seems that you are right and I have to correct my statement, I am experiencing it myself right now. A friend of mine was interested in the Artura. A few days ago he was able to drive a 296. Now he is so excited that he will probably order the Ferrari, the 296 must be grandiose. The price difference is suddenly no longer so important to him. In this case, the 296 is definitely a competitor to the Artura and I was wrong.
The price difference between the Artura and the 296 is not $50,000. Rather, the difference in base price is $85,000 ($233k v $318k). Ferrari charges considerably more than McLaren for the same options. Therefore, the difference in price for similarly optioned cars is $120,000+. I am told that the difference in price for a heavily optioned car is around $150,000.if you can afford 200+k on a car, you can afford 50k more. just buy the real thing and get the 296...
only thing against the 296 is that you would probably look at 2024 delivery if you tried to order one.
having said that, that might not be much later than the Artura...
Your point still stands -- many people who can afford a $300,000 car can also afford a $400,000 car. I choose the Artura over the 296 because: (1) I much prefer the looks of the Artura over the 296; and (2) I was able to order an Artura for delivery in approximately 8-9 months (that time frame is no longer available), but I would have had to wait 2.5 years for the 296. Thus, I decided to get the Artura and swap it for the 720 replacement in a few years (which will undoubtedly surpass the 296 in all respects).
Yeah , I don’t know many people who are cross shopping arrtura with 296 in USA for the exact reasons you mention.The price difference between the Artura and the 296 is not $50,000. Rather, the difference in base price is $85,000 ($233k v $318k). Ferrari charges considerably more than McLaren for the same options. Therefore, the difference in price for similarly optioned cars is $120,000+. I am told that the difference in price for a heavily optioned car is around $150,000.
Your point still stands -- many people who can afford a $300,000 car can also afford a $400,000 car. I choose the Artura over the 296 because: (1) I much prefer the looks of the Artura over the 296; and (2) I was able to order an Artura for delivery in approximately 8-9 months (that time frame is no longer available), but I would have had to wait 2.5 years for the 296. Thus, I decided to get the Artura and swap it for the 720 replacement in a few years (which will undoubtedly surpass the 296 in all respects).
I know plenty of people who have orders and waiting for artura that have also put their names on the interest list for 296 (those who bought Roma will probably follow through with 296 purchase ). Those that are on the interst list for 296 will probably get tired of waiting (or don’t know how to play ball with the dealer ) and switch to a more available car when the known /(unknown ) cars become available.
There’s a real appetite for supercar these days and availability is winning out more then anything else.
i never said US50k, and i would disagree the pricing difference on options. I have never spent US70k more in options on a fezza vs a macca.The price difference between the Artura and the 296 is not $50,000. Rather, the difference in base price is $85,000 ($233k v $318k). Ferrari charges considerably more than McLaren for the same options. Therefore, the difference in price for similarly optioned cars is $120,000+. I am told that the difference in price for a heavily optioned car is around $150,000.
Your point still stands -- many people who can afford a $300,000 car can also afford a $400,000 car. I choose the Artura over the 296 because: (1) I much prefer the looks of the Artura over the 296; and (2) I was able to order an Artura for delivery in approximately 8-9 months (that time frame is no longer available), but I would have had to wait 2.5 years for the 296. Thus, I decided to get the Artura and swap it for the 720 replacement in a few years (which will undoubtedly surpass the 296 in all respects).
the point about having to wait a couple of years on the 296 is very valid especially if you are new to the brand.
by the time the 720 replacement comes out (not the 750 facelift) Ferrari will probably have replaced the 296 already. My guess is that Ferrari have come as far in working on the replacement ot the 296 as Mclaren to the 720... unfortunately
The options thing differs by customer and dealer in USA . Not all customers are equal in how they have to go about doing things and how much leeway they have in $$$ options … (applies to mclaren and Ferrari , but more so on Ferrari dealer side of things )…. Sometimes people get allocations from dealer because they are known to high spec cars …. Customers with little buying history, relatively speaking will have to pile on $$$ options to be able to get the car.i never said US50k, and i would disagree the pricing difference on options. I have never spent US70k more in options on a fezza vs a macca.
the point about having to wait a couple of years on the 296 is very valid especially if you are new to the brand.
by the time the 720 replacement comes out (not the 750 facelift) Ferrari will probably have replaced the 296 already. My guess is that Ferrari have come as far in working on the replacement ot the 296 as Mclaren to the 720... unfortunately
Joining this forum has been a revelation. It's amazing to me that people allow themselves to be manipulated like this.The options thing differs by customer and dealer in USA . Not all customers are equal in how they have to go about doing things and how much leeway they have in $$$ options … (applies to mclaren and Ferrari , but more so on Ferrari dealer side of things )…. Sometimes people get allocations from dealer because they are known to high spec cars …. Customers with little buying history, relatively speaking will have to pile on $$$ options to be able to get the car.
¯\(ツ)/¯. you play ball with the dealer or buy used / auction a few years laterJoining this forum has been a revelation. It's amazing to me that people allow themselves to be manipulated like this.
this is how Porsche and Ferrari are able to make tons of profit. For sure McLaren do on MSO stuff, but they seem to play fewer games like this.Joining this forum has been a revelation. It's amazing to me that people allow themselves to be manipulated like this.
I suspect the McLaren situation is just a less unbalanced or unhealthy supply / demand curve. There once was a time Porsche begged people to buy 918s …. and that was only 10 years ago.this is how Porsche and Ferrari are able to make tons of profit. For sure McLaren do on MSO stuff, but they seem to play fewer games like this.
Look at the situation with the 765LT spider. The P1 mark 2 allocations will be an epic shit show. There will be some amazing stories and tears from absurdly rich guys to salt my popcorn.
McLaren will be just fine. If not...then they’ll get bought out and still be fine.
Artura doesn’t compete with the 296. So no issues there. So far the Artura seems to be selling well. Not sure who would want a 296 over a 765. But to each their own. If an SF90 has its hand full with a 765 I’m sure the 150hp less 296 will get walked by a 765...esp on track.
The 750 will handle a 296...because McLaren knows it has to. Within their ‘class’ Historically Macs have outperformed Ferraris. But Ferrari has the name and they make a nice car. Then again 50% of their revenue comes from marketing. Good for them.
I’m continually impressed with how well Mac competes with (comparatively) how little they have to work with.
Artura doesn’t compete with the 296. So no issues there. So far the Artura seems to be selling well. Not sure who would want a 296 over a 765. But to each their own. If an SF90 has its hand full with a 765 I’m sure the 150hp less 296 will get walked by a 765...esp on track.
The 750 will handle a 296...because McLaren knows it has to. Within their ‘class’ Historically Macs have outperformed Ferraris. But Ferrari has the name and they make a nice car. Then again 50% of their revenue comes from marketing. Good for them.
I’m continually impressed with how well Mac competes with (comparatively) how little they have to work with.
Unfortunately, my friend was not joking, he will grab the 296. And I tried so hard to make him like the Artura. Well, he's already driving a Ferrari (488 Spider), but I was sure that the Artura would get him away from Ferrari. He has already looked at it and liked it very much, in his eyes it is much nicer than a 720S. He has always suffered a little from my 720S (he says the 720S is ugly as hell, he no longer has any other arguments), now he probably wants to pay me back with the 296.i was somewhat joking, the artura is more of a 570 replacment while the 296 is clearly in the 720 league. and i dont know who said the 765lt blows the 296 away, but simple numbers, bhp, torque etc would say otherwise. Never mind the difference in resources between the most profitable car maker on the planet vs a company fighting bankruptcy. And i say that as a massive Mclaren fan.
About the 296: my friend's 488 has a tuning of around 730hp, he said compared to his car the 296 goes like hell. But I think he's exaggerating again. Yes, we don't just fight each other on the golf course...
Well then, we'll se.
My UK Artura is optioned at £215k but my 266GTB is £280k......iirc the Fezza has a lot more expensive options, paint/wheels/interior but as you say it's not competing with the Arthur. Must say the 296 is a tech tour de force, with seamless integration of power trains on the move but the Arthur has sublime steering and better visibility from the cockpit.if you can afford 200+k on a car, you can afford 50k more. just buy the real thing and get the 296...
only thing against the 296 is that you would probably look at 2024 delivery if you tried to order one.
having said that, that might not be much later than the Artura...
i am very curious how the 296 will fare on track against a 720. Heavier. And blended EV brakes. A lot more power but …. the same 0-60 time ?Unfortunately, my friend was not joking, he will grab the 296. And I tried so hard to make him like the Artura. Well, he's already driving a Ferrari (488 Spider), but I was sure that the Artura would get him away from Ferrari. He has always suffered a little from my 720S (he says the 720S is ugly as hell, he no longer has any other arguments), now he probably wants to pay me back with the 296.
About the 296: my friend's 488 has a tuning of around 730hp, he said compared to his car the 296 goes like hell. But I think he's exaggerating again. Yes, we don't just fight each other on the golf course...
Well then, we'll se.
please report back after you destroy him
I have already told to my friend to reconsider, because with the threatening blackouts (and because the idiotic energy transition will NEVER work) the hybrid vehicles will certainly soon be banned again by the intelligent authorities...i am very curious how the 296 will fare on track against a 720. Heavier. And blended EV brakes. A lot more power but …. the same 0-60 time ?
please report back after you destroy him
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