Never thought of typing the VIN into the NHTSA decoder until now. Also shows it as a MY22. Guess I answered my own question.
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That's a bit of a kick in the teeth on top of the delays.Never thought of typing the VIN into the NHTSA decoder until now. Also shows it as a MY22. Guess I answered my own question.
Believe the VINs have changed, I’d ask your dealer for your new VIN.Never thought of typing the VIN into the NHTSA decoder until now. Also shows it as a MY22. Guess I answered my own question.
10th digit of the VIN is the MY
N: 2022
P: 2023
R: 2024. etc.
N: 2022
P: 2023
R: 2024. etc.
How is that even possible?Believe the VINs have changed, I’d ask your dealer for your new VIN.
Cars haven’t been retailed and they changed the model year due to the delay. Again I’d check with your dealer if you still have a MY22 VIN
I know the Bentley division of VW has been profitable for years, because the new Continental platform was the only part of the Phaeton project that made any money. Whether they could have got to that point without being under VW ownership is debatable. Same probably goes for Lambo, the division is probably making money hand-over-fist now, but could they have produced an SUV without VW know-how and capital? So my point is, I don't think it's about subsidies, it's about capital investment. And the other big question in respect of McLaren is whether, even with a big injection of capital, they can make it without producing an SUV, and whether they have the know-how to make and market such a product.It's likely impossible for McLaren, or any companies like it, to survive. AM, Lamborghini, Bentley, etc... They'd all be out of business if they weren't owned and subsidized by the parents.
I really don't think McLaren can make money selling standard models if they haven't already. They'll need to constantly pump out ultimate/super rare cars to keep the lights on, and I'm not sure that is sustainable long term, especially with where technology is going.
According to the GSM of my dealership, McLaren NA advised US dealerships that they will begin receiving demo Arturas during early September (e.g., next week), and initial customer deliveries shortly thereafter (also September). Meanwhile, McLaren continues to build new Arturas that will receive updated programming after they are built. For example, a build slot that was frozen in April 2022 was just built in August 2022. It sounds like there will be a significant volume of Artura deliveries beginning in September and continuing through the Fall. Fingers firmly crossed.
according to the results call a couple of days ago, they had around 900 Arturas ready to go as of end of July. that is a lot of reflashing of software needed...
But they said they had over the air updates so should be simple right?
I believe it was @unmac who said the updates take around 11 hours per car.But they said they had over the air updates so should be simple right?
Unattended?I believe it was @unmac who said the updates take around 11 hours per car.
That I do not know.Unattended?
Correct me if I am wrong, a major update like this is probably done at service bay. OTA updates are new to all non-startup car makers and I am sure they can’t handle major updates like this one. An example is Porsche Taycan that recently just received a major software update that must be done at dealer, usually taking upwards of 2 days.But they said they had over the air updates so should be simple right?
The software updating "process" should be simple enough: (1) McLaren delivers Arturas to individual dealers with the outdated software; and (2) each individual dealer inputs the software update on the cars that it will be delivering to its customers, using its own resources to do so. That way, a huge volume of cars can receive software updates simultaneously at the individual dealerships. Even if the update lasts a day or two, each individual dealership can update at least one or two Arturas concurrently, and deliver multiple cars per week. Using this form of decentralized updating surely would permit the delivery of ALL already built cars within a couple of months. The alternative -- some sort of centralized updating process -- would be profoundly more time consuming and result in considerable further delays.
I think Tesla have been doing major OTA updates for quite some time, but I may be misunderstanding it. Honda has started, but not sure if it's limited to the infotainment or to other parts of the car.Correct me if I am wrong, a major update like this is probably done at service bay. OTA updates are new to all non-startup car makers and I am sure they can’t handle major updates like this one. An example is Porsche Taycan that recently just received a major software update that must be done at dealer, usually taking upwards of 2 days.
Right which is why I mentioned non-startup car makers and Tesla is not. Tesla OTA updates are done in an hour. I’d be inclined to think McLaren is more to Porsche than to Tesla when it comes to OTA updates on the entire car, taking hours and up to 2 days due to failure midway and need restarted (based on what I read on Taycan forum with their latest major update, which my car already came with). @unmac already mentioned it takes 11 hours?I think Tesla have been doing major OTA updates for quite some time, but I may be misunderstanding it. Honda has started, but not sure if it's limited to the infotainment or to other parts of the car.
If that’s the case they shouldn’t be claiming over the air updates then. I was doing entire system updates 20+ years ago with almost zero downtime and that was without any advanced or redundant hardware which should exist in safety critical systems like in a car.
And Tesla shouldn’t be claiming to do self driving, but here we are.If that’s the case they shouldn’t be claiming over the air updates then. I was doing entire system updates 20+ years ago with almost zero downtime and that was without any advanced or redundant hardware which should exist in safety critical systems like in a car.
It may be 11 hours OTA, but faster if done locally.
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